Hard Rock - WE NEED YOUR HELP |
Post Reply | Page <123> |
Author | ||||
Time Signature
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 04 Apr 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 7690 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
I agree.
I don't think there will be anymore expansions in the "softer-than-metal" direction. Hard rock intertwined with metal and often the two overlap, which is why the Hard Rock category was introduced. I personally think that alternative rock would be too far from metal, and it would allow for the addition of clearly non-metal bands like The Cure, U2, Saybia, Suede and whatnot - it would, however, be perfect material for a Rock Music Archives. I do not think that any of the hard rock additions made so far are that problematic - controversial, perhaps, but not out of place on a metal site. That's just my opinion. |
||||
|
||||
bonnek
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Antwerp Status: Offline Points: 167 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
huh? do opinions get more validity with the amount of work or posts you make? I've done my thing. I find Nirvana in hard rock absurd, as well as having Nirvana and Rush in one place. If you all think that that is just fine then I'm wrong, or at least biased by what the press in my county sees as hard rock. Big deal. And I gave no opinion on Pearl Jam whatsoever, I don't even have one. |
||||
Andyman1125
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 2068 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Yea Nirvana in Hard Rock is a bit iffy IMO.
|
||||
Colt
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: 26 Mar 2010 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6668000 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
At this stage in the site's development there is not a precise fit for Nirvana. IMO they are not Alt.Metal and their music also contrasted that of traditional Hard Rock. However, I can remember the stir they made in the music scene at the time, I can remember Metal Hammer changing forever following the release of "Nevermind" There were pages and pages dedicated to them. Let me state again - Metal Hammer! This site is called Metal Music ARCHIVES. Nirvana influenced so many metal bands, they have to be here. The perfect placement will come later. "Rome was not built in one day" John Heywood |
||||
adg211288
Forum Admin Group Black Metal, Prog/AG Teams Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 22199 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
I agree that Nirvana as hard rock isn't exactly accurate for me, but I can't say that they shouldn't be here at all, for reasons pointed out above. To me Nirvana is the sort of act that would be a fit for a theoretical 'metal related' sub, which to me implies not metal (or hard rock) themselves, but too important to not be listed at all. Not sure if there has ever been thoughts of MMA having a metal related sub like PA has prog related (IMO it could potentially be a minefield if we did), but IMO that's the best way for an act such as Nirvana to fit on a metal site. My pennies worth, anyway.
|
||||
Certif1ed
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 29 Mar 2010 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 473 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Of course not - Phil is just being a rude bastard again. Ignore him - I do!
Yes - they gigged heavily, played and recorded with the Damned and the various bands that came from the Chiswick stables. The Damned released the first "punk" album in the UK, "Neat, Neat, Neat" - and it's hard to tell the difference between that album and Hard or Indie Rock in places. Together, Motordamned released a cover of The Sweet's "Ballroom Blitz".
The line is a very difficult one - in many bands' cases it could be that certain albums are Hard Rock rather than Proto Metal, for example - and on many albums, there will be a mix of Proto and Hard Rock. In the latter case, I'd suggest leaving the album in Proto, even if there are only 2 or 3 Proto Metal songs - e.g. Dust. NWoBHM is a special case - it was never a style, it was a "movement" comprising many styles, so there are many bands which would arguably be better described as Hard Rock, who are NWoBHM just for being in the right place at the right time - nothing to do with the sound or style. The guideline I would offer is that; - Hard Rock is more noticeably based on Blues ,so there will be 12-bar patterns and standard pentatonic licks which are obvious, classic examples being AC/DC's "The Jack" and "The Rocker". - Heavy Psych, in which the riffs will not be sharp and clear, but fuzzy and slurry, with the trademark pentatonic soloing of that genre which may go off the beaten track somewhat, but will bear all the hallmarks of improvisation rather than a considered solo. This Hard Rock genre is a great idea, but I can see the rows already... That said, all suggestions should be considered on their own merits, and not dismissed as dumb, since everyone has an opinion on this matter. |
||||
cannon
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 31 May 2011 Location: Bowser, B.C. Status: Offline Points: 697 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
My apologies. Completely uncalled for. Totally out of line.
|
||||
cannon
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 31 May 2011 Location: Bowser, B.C. Status: Offline Points: 697 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
I ignored you and you could handle it. Are you trolling again? |
||||
UMUR
MMA Special Collaborator Errors & Omissions Team / Retired Admin Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 18220 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Please keep ignoring each other.
|
||||
cannon
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 31 May 2011 Location: Bowser, B.C. Status: Offline Points: 697 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
I couldn't agree more.
|
||||
bonnek
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Antwerp Status: Offline Points: 167 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Yes I will ignore everyone Except this maybe, which I find a valid idea, Metal-related might be quite a small sub but it could be a relevant thing to have..
|
||||
UMUR
MMA Special Collaborator Errors & Omissions Team / Retired Admin Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 18220 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
The prog-related sub-genre on PA has always caused a lot of trouble and grief. I�m not sure I like the idea of copying that model.
|
||||
bonnek
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Antwerp Status: Offline Points: 167 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
I'm sure you can do better |
||||
Tupan
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Location: Brasil Status: Offline Points: 1625 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Mostly of the Queen albums labeled as Non-metal shoud be moved to Hard Rock.
Examples: The Works, Innuendo, Made in Heaven. |
||||
Time Signature
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 04 Apr 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 7690 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
I agree on "Innuendo", but I am not sure about "The Works" and I haven't heard "Made In Heaven".
|
||||
|
||||
Tupan
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Location: Brasil Status: Offline Points: 1625 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
From The Works:
|
||||
zdunne
Forum Newbie Joined: 02 Jan 2011 Location: Massillon, Ohio Status: Offline Points: 36 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
It could be argued that the three Aerosmith albums under Non Metal fit this argument as well though others may disagree with me on that (well at least Nine Lives and Honkin on Bobo, Just Push Play is a bad pop album in my opinion with only a few good tracks foreshadowing Tyler's descent into Idolitis). Anyway, as far as the broad definition of the Hard Rock category, I understand that further expansion might erode the site at this point as it is a metal site though one could argue that a Metal-Related Punk category could exist for bands like the Misfits, Bad Brains, Pennywise (who I always thought had some thrash characteristics), Offspring (early), the Ramones (pioneers who influenced both punk and metal) and others for bands that are decidedly Punk (not crossover thrash or alt metal) but have enough appeal to Metal fans to warrant being on a Metal site but I feel doing so would hurt the site not help as such suggestions would get heat from the Metal community even for the Hard Rock category (as some debates are causing now). Even our sister site Jazz Music Archives has seen some debates under what to include because they feel they need establish credibility as a jazz site and not just as a subsite of a prog site. Edited by zdunne - 24 Sep 2011 at 5:44pm |
||||
Tupan
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Location: Brasil Status: Offline Points: 1625 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
^But I 'll not changemy opinions about Queen. They are THE hard rock band.
|
||||
Balthamel
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 26 Mar 2010 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 1336 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
a silly question from me ( i don't know where to adress this but anyhow), but how is Innuendo by Queen not able to rate or not a metal/hard rock album when the title track is one of the heavyest songs they have,...
|
||||
|
||||
Triceratopsoil
MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 17 Dec 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4201 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Probably because an album needs to be predominantly metal (or hard rock) to be labeled as such.
|
||||
Post Reply | Page <123> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |