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TheHeavyMetalCat
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I suppose that makes a warped kind of sense. |
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666sharon666
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Listening to Medusa now. Fearless Sky is a great start to it.
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adg211288
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To be honest I think Medusa sounds more 'death' overall than Shades of God does. There are gothic metal elements (secondary in RYM terms at best to my ears) but I can't see how that's swaying anyone since Shades of God has those too, as does Gothic. Production wise it's more modern sounding and polished, but that isn't a reason to preclude it.
It may have something to do with the fact that The Plague Within was growl heavy too, and that album gained little traction for death-doom primary so the early voters probably assumed this one to be more of the same. Which is wrong, but most RYM'ers do seem to leave their votes after just one listen. Fortunately the tag has gained support since then. The page will probably never be right now, but at least the true primary is there.
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666sharon666
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Haven't heard it yet but it's probably one of those cases where people are listening to it once without paying much attention then voting for whatever is green at the time or what the previous albums sound like/are tagged as. It's usually better to read the comments on genre contested albums like this. They provide a lot better insight about what it actually sounds like. In this case we have just one person defending the voting down for death doom, with a factually incorrect argument, that being that death-doom is a sub-genre of death metal rather than doom metal. Which is especially important on RYM since the death doom tag only has doom metal as its parent and not both doom and death metal. |
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TheHeavyMetalCat
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One has to wonder what RYM is playing at with the Medusa tags though, with the three way primary of Doom Metal, Gothic Metal and Death Doom Metal. Surely this one is no less Death-Doom than at least Gothic and Shades of God?
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TheHeavyMetalCat
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Checked out a few more:
Lost Paradise Icon One Second In Requiem Faith Divides Us - Death Unites Us I definitely like their doom albums more in general, but was impressed by In Requiem. Wasn't so keen on One Second though. |
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Unitron
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I've listened to their first five as well as Medusa, and I enjoyed all of them. Right now, I'd say my favorites are tied between Lost Paradise and Shades of God.
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666sharon666
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It's been years since I listened to anything by them. I'll have to revisit the ones I have and catch up on a few I've missed.
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Bosh66
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Been catching up on a few of these. Gone with Shades of God as I suspected I would.
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TheHeavyMetalCat
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They have 15 albums. It's going to take those of us who don't know them well a bit of time to explore all their work and become familiar enough with it to vote. |
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TheHeavyMetalCat
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Then maybe Gothic Metal would be the better tag? |
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LittleBig
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Icon is my favorite.
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UMUR
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^The debut is great too. Raw and unpolished doom/death metal. Nick Holmes vocals are killer on that album. One of the best growlers of his time.
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From what I heard, the debut sounds good too.
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voila_la_scorie
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I only just picked up a couple of Paradise Lost albums during the summer. "Gothic" was my first choice because that seemed to be the one to get along with "Icon" but the latter didn't impress me as much for some reason. Then "Shades of God" was cheaper so I bought that and I was listening to it the other day and thinking it was really a terrific album. I managed to snag "Gothic" as well and I also have a high opinion of that one too (reviews of both to come). The rest I don't know; however, I have in mind to pick up at least one or two other albums. The band have a sound that is both inspired by Black Sabbath and fresh sounding. That I get from the two albums I have.
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Vim Fuego
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So why is no one voting in the poll? Is it too hard to pick the best?
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Nightfly
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Sound-wise I see it as bridge between the gothic stuff and Medusa. The sound of The Plague Within doesn't suggest death doom to me.
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adg211288
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I think on that logic then the answer would be yes but based on the one listen I've given that album I'm not sure it still isn't a bit more on the gothic metal side. I heard a major difference in the guitar style compared to Medusa.
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TheHeavyMetalCat
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Listened to Gothic, Shades of God and The Plague Within today. Going to try the debut next.
Loved the latter two, but to my surprise I found Gothic itself to be quite underwhelming. Collab question but if The Plague Within is doom enough to be in Doom Metal here over Gothic Metal, should it not be Death-Doom Metal like Medusa? |
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Nightfly
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First Paradise Lost album I ever bought was Draconian Times on the basis of a review I read at the time of release. When One Second came out I bought it straight away and was expecting more of the same but surprised at the change of sound which was more clinical with synths. Being more difficult to check albums out back then I wasn't aware of their earlier death doom sound until much later and after One Second I didn't check anything out for quite a while. Time has made me appreciate it more though I still don't love it.
Difficult to say my favourite as I can't even remember what some of those albums sound like as well as a few I've never heard even once. At the moment The Plague Within would probably be my choice. Can't think of any other albums of theirs I've enjoyed so much but I've been revisiting a few and trying some new (to me) ones. So far nothing beats it.
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