Debate: Satori by Flower Travellin' Band is metal

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One question i have always had is why a band like this would be considered metal when it uses slow distorted riffs but a much more energetic band like Van Halen which has monster riffing and blitzkrieg guitar solos is only considered hard rock. Seems illogical

Poll Question: Is Satori metal?
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siLLy puPPy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MMA Special Collaborator Prog/AG Team Joined: 06 Oct 2013 Location: SF, CA, USA Status: Offline Points: 2728	Post Options Post Reply Quote siLLy puPPy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 7:25pm
	One question i have always had is why a band like this would be considered metal when it uses slow distorted riffs but a much more energetic band like Van Halen which has monster riffing and blitzkrieg guitar solos is only considered hard rock. Seems illogical


siLLy puPPy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MMA Special Collaborator Prog/AG Team Joined: 06 Oct 2013 Location: SF, CA, USA Status: Offline Points: 2728	Post Options Post Reply Quote siLLy puPPy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 7:21pm
	I own this album. I consider it heavy psych that is heavier than usual. I would probably vote for proto-metal myself since it's not really a metal album in the traditional sense 70s hard rock is most notably characterized by a bluesy shuffle with the decibalage cranked up. Satori is more of a psychedelic experience that happens to have heaviness. Even RYM lists this exclusively as heavy psych, however it doesn't really matter to me where it ultimately ends up


666sharon666 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Admin Group Black, HM/HR/Glam Teams Joined: 29 Dec 2010 Status: Offline Points: 4084	Post Options Post Reply Quote 666sharon666 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 2:46pm
	I'd really like to hear at least a couple more opinions first. To my ears it's pretty obviously a metal album, especially for an early 70's release, but this topic is still only a couple of days old at the moment, and there are still quite a few active or semi-active collabs who haven't posted here. They deserve a bit of time to do so, if they're going to. This isn't actually a case where the band/album is widely accepted into the early metal canon.

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	So can the album be moved to heavy metal then? I don't see anyone disagreeing.
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666sharon666 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Admin Group Black, HM/HR/Glam Teams Joined: 29 Dec 2010 Status: Offline Points: 4084	Post Options Post Reply Quote 666sharon666 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 11:44am
	No, you're not thinking crazy. In fact unless someone can come up with a good reason not to I think I'm going to move this release into Heavy Metal.

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	So I'm not thinking crazy then. Good to know. ;)

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	I can reasonably see this as heavy psych but I do have to agree. This is well in excess of the minimum metal requirements of MMA. Loved the album too.
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	Just streamed the whole album. For me, it's more heavy metal with doom metal elements than hard rock (though it's also there)... Many parts of the album do sound like early Black Sabbath. Maybe it should be tagged as traditional heavy metal, or at least proto-metal. I can't say whether the heavy psych tag on RYM is appropriate since I haven't listened to many albums of the genre... Edited by Sisslith - 10 Sep 2017 at 2:32pm
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	I'd need to have a full listen before acting but a quick sample suggests this needs moving on MMA. Actually, this seems like it may actually be more metal than Sir Lord Baltimore's debut, if memory serves. This is their version of Black Sabbath from their previous album:

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	I had never heard of this band before, but I checked it out, and I would agree with you. While there's a lot of hard rock in the 70's that crosses into metal territory, this does sound like some serious Black Sabbath worship. Why am I not surprised that RYM doesn't know what they're talking about and doesn't have heavy metal or doom metal as at least secondary. Edited by Unitron - 10 Sep 2017 at 3:49pm
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	The first track is excellent early doom metal and very obviously inspired by Black Sabbath. It's actually quite unusual to find a song that intense and dark in those years. I don't recall tracks 2-4 so well but track 5 also has some great heavy stuff if I recall correctly. I bought this album two, maybe three years ago. I believe I wrote a review for it. I think it's proto-metal.
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	Just checked this album out on a recommendation. It was Japanese group Flower Travellin' Band's second album (first of original material). It came out in 1971 and for the time period I was quite surprised by how heavy it was, and to me seems to have characteristics of both heavy metal and doom metal. What do you think? We have it in hard rock here (agreed by RYM's heavy psych tag) but to me this band sounds like something more on the level with bands like Black Sabbath (who they covered on their first album), Budgie and Sir Lord Baltimore. http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/album/flower-travellin-band/satori