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Topic: Is Game of Thrones overrated?
Posted By: bartosso
Subject: Is Game of Thrones overrated?
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 8:21am
Please, elaborate on your votes.

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 9:28am
Most definitely...not. Why? Because it's the only fantasy adaptation I've seen outside of the Tolkien ones that seems to care about being faithful to its source. And it's probably more faithful than those as well. Sure it's made it's share of changes but so far it hasn't done anything overly disappointing. Except perhaps the Season 4 ending. They could have had a major cliffhanger in that (fans of the books will know what or rather who I'm talking about) but instead decided to end on Arya sailing away on Braavos. I'm sure I wasn't the only fan of the novels expecting a much different ending to the season.

But one disappointment isn't going to change my faith in the show. Back to my first point, minor changes and one disappointment aside it's been faithful to good source material. Good source material that could have been treated much worse. For example Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth books that are quite similar in tone to GRRM's were also adapted for TV as Legend of the Seeker and those got turned into a family friendly show that seemed to go out of its way to do the exact opposite to established canon. Can you imagine what Game of Thrones would be like done like that? I read a lot of fantasy books so I know they aren't all like Tolkien's stuff. Most are for the mature reader and anyone whose seen even one episode of Game of Thrones knows that the show is very strictly for a mature audience. I can't name one other fantasy show that's really captured the way the bulk of the genre's literacy is. Game of Thrones does though. 

I've also seen other fantasy films aside from Hobbit/LotR ones are all of them were either quite terrible or decidedly average. I guess one of the better ones I watched was In the Name of the King (considering this is Uwe Boll film that's probably saying something) but like with the Goodkind adaptation it went out of its way to ignore canon, though this one was based on a game rather than a novel and I guess game adaptations are never that great. Still major miscast for the protagonist. I mean this is what the protagonist of Dungeon Siege is supposed to look like:



And here's who they cast:



Now Jason Statham is a great actor and all, but we can all see the glaring problem here can't we. WinkGame of Thrones would be very different if they decided to change the genders of certain characters.

Bottom line is Game of Thrones fills a niche on TV that in my experience has never been done well before and it does it faithfully to it's source. Therefore as a fantasy fan it is most definitely not overrated and fully deserves the recognition it's received.


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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 9:30am
I've never seen it, so I can't really give an opinion.

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Posted By: DippoMagoo
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 2:44pm
Nope. I agree with what Adam said, but also it's a rare case of great source material falling into the hands of people who were actually capable of adapting it into another form and making the appropriate changes so it'll work, while staying as true to the overall heart of the series. Basically: HBO is a channel that carries the kinds of shows that would never make it onto network television without severe changes that would make them much less effective, and A Song of Ice and Fire is possibly the darkest, most mature fantasy series out there. that would certainly never work on network television, and also way too big and overloaded with material to work even as a series of movies (I can't imagine how many movies Peter Jackson would require to show all the events of book 3, for example: The show took two seasons to go through it, and at times we only got the cliff notes versions of less important scenes, with some stuff entirely removed.) So yeah, the series and HBO are pretty much a perfect fit for each other, so it's not surprising the show is as good as it is.

ps: And yeah, Adam, I was expecting season 4 to end with a certain Tyrion scene. I was actually a bit disappointed with how they handled his scenes in that episode altogether, but obviously that's just a minor thing in what was otherwise still an excellent season: The end of episode 8 in particular, couldn't have possibly been filmed any better. 


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 2:47pm
^ The scene I was thinking of has nothing to do with Tyrion by the way. 

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Posted By: DippoMagoo
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 2:57pm
Oh, I think I know the other thing you're talking about now (the epilogue scene in book 3). I'm glad they didn't do that yet, actually. It's not really something I'm looking forward to. I would have ended with a certain scene, especially because it would have fit in perfectly with how the season started. That, and it was my most anticipated scene of the episode.


Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 3:24pm
Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

I've never seen it, so I can't really give an opinion.
This


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 3:25pm
Well they changed a fair bit of the timeline for the King's Landing plot, so if you talking about what I think you're talking about that event had already happened by that stage, well ahead of Tyrion's escape. 

I'm disappointed that they didn't do the epilogue because it's seemed like they laid all the groundwork for it in season 3. Sure she's not a major character in books 4 and 5 but she's involved in at least two POV characters stories and her absence (and it does look like they're completely cutting her out full stop, unless they're simply trying to not spoil the next season) means those plots are going to need changes. Well one's plot was changed already I guess. 

You know I'm going to admit it, I do have some concerns over season 5. The producers might be deliberately misleading us by leaving certain major casting for two storylines out (Dorne and Greyjoy Family) but the lack of such announcements is kinda worrying. Even with the changes and omissions they did the first three books well across the first four seasons. It would be a shame if it started to fall part now. 


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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 3:33pm
I've only watched the first season, and I enjoyed it.  I'm currently in the long drawn out process of reading the series.  I am about a quarter of the way through the 3rd book.  I tend to only read a page or two at a time except when I am on vacation so it takes me quite a while to get through each book.


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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 3:55pm
I've only seen the odd programme. I always imagined the attraction was all the tits on show. Obviously it's deeper than that then Embarrassed


Posted By: DippoMagoo
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 4:07pm
^Yeah, that part of it is just an effect of it being on HBO, more than anything else. They sure love their sex scenes, and nudity in general. (HBO, I mean: Almost all their shows I've watched have had excessive amounts of sex and nudity.)


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 5:49pm
Hail HBO then Beer

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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 6:18pm
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Hail HBO then Beer

Hell yes!!! Cool

Love me some nudity and you know.. Big smile


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 7:07pm
f) never watched it


Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2014 at 12:25am
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

f) never watched it
This. I'll read them all first and then complain about the differences.


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Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2014 at 7:06am
I've been into fantasy (although I prefer scifi) my whole life and somehow I find SoIaF not very good. I like well written books, with elegant plot construction and focus on quality rather than quantity of characters. Martin's books seem to be quite the opposite in my opinion. Style is decent at best, plots are meandering endlessly, there are too many characters and the sole purpose of their existance is either seize power, resist waves of evil or die in a gruesome way (or both). Now, since I have all fans reading that really mad at my arrogant rant, I'll just tell you what I liked Tongue I think character development in some cases is well thought out and interesting (Arya as the good child shaped by cruelty... everyone is shaped by cruelty in this show by the way, the world is cruel and dictates every move of every character regardless of their moral profile). The world is unforgiving and dark even though I don't like the "let's put dragons into a low fantasy setting because... DRAGONS!" Also, the cult of fire plot is a nice touch. All in all it's a hit or miss story with a decently realistic yet a little hardcore depiction of medieval Britain politics. I like it, but I think with its 95% scores it's just heavily overrated.

Oh man, I sound like a prick.


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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2014 at 6:22pm
From what I've seen, the show is pretty lame in the way that it's already a tired concept of medieval warfare. Same goes for The Walking Dead, which is probably an even more cliche idea. 

However, being overrated does not make something bad. I've given the show fair chances, but I just don't seem to like it. I think it's sort of bad to put "I Despise It" in a poll discussion something being overrated, not bad. 

No offense to the fans whatsoever. Wink


Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2014 at 12:16pm
Yes it is Tongue

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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2014 at 3:55pm
Haven't seen it. I've seen Sharknado, though :-P


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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2014 at 10:53pm
Is this the show that has lesbian action? If it is then there is no way in hell that it is overrated Big smile LOL

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Posted By: Balthamel
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2014 at 1:57pm
im sti awaiting a Wheel of Time series, or movie, or anime, or whatever watchable, any presentation if it is 60% faithfull or mora, im not picky or stern Geek


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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2014 at 2:52pm
Originally posted by Balthamel Balthamel wrote:

im sti awaiting a Wheel of Time series, or movie, or anime, or whatever watchable, any presentation if it is 60% faithfull or mora, im not picky or stern Geek

I need to start reading the Wheel of Time, I actually own a Wheel of Time video game. Have you ever played it? Tongue


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Posted By: Balthamel
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2014 at 5:37am
Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Originally posted by Balthamel Balthamel wrote:

im sti awaiting a Wheel of Time series, or movie, or anime, or whatever watchable, any presentation if it is 60% faithfull or mora, im not picky or stern Geek

I need to start reading the Wheel of Time, I actually own a Wheel of Time video game. Have you ever played it? Tongue
no, ii have not, but i will maybe if i had a PC of my own. i would not mind a WoT game in the wain of Dynasty Warriors though, with bit more createive game-play


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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2014 at 11:27am
Originally posted by Balthamel Balthamel wrote:

Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Originally posted by Balthamel Balthamel wrote:

im sti awaiting a Wheel of Time series, or movie, or anime, or whatever watchable, any presentation if it is 60% faithfull or mora, im not picky or stern Geek

I need to start reading the Wheel of Time, I actually own a Wheel of Time video game. Have you ever played it? Tongue
no, ii have not, but i will maybe if i had a PC of my own. i would not mind a WoT game in the wain of Dynasty Warriors though, with bit more createive game-play

It's more like an Action adventure-RPG hybrid with puzzle elements. It's pretty unique, and I find it fun Smile


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Posted By: Balthamel
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2014 at 2:09am
Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Originally posted by Balthamel Balthamel wrote:

Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Originally posted by Balthamel Balthamel wrote:

im sti awaiting a Wheel of Time series, or movie, or anime, or whatever watchable, any presentation if it is 60% faithfull or mora, im not picky or stern Geek

I need to start reading the Wheel of Time, I actually own a Wheel of Time video game. Have you ever played it? Tongue
no, ii have not, but i will maybe if i had a PC of my own. i would not mind a WoT game in the wain of Dynasty Warriors though, with bit more createive game-play

It's more like an Action adventure-RPG hybrid with puzzle elements. It's pretty unique, and I find it fun Smile
you know my username is an evil character in WoT, Balthamel is  womenizer and an expert historian on historical ages noone cares about.


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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2015 at 3:41pm
^^^ Great Avatar Big smileLOL

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 12:21pm
Now that the fifth season has started, any new opinion?

For my part, I'm trying to get the first volume of the novels at my library, but... Like the first volumes of the Walking Dead comics, I can never get my hands on it! I even tried to get the DVD (they got it at my library), but still the same problem! Angry


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Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 2:49pm
^I don't think I'm going to watch this season any time soon. GoT is a good series imo, but with every consecutive season it resembles more and more an extremely violent soap opera set in a fantasy world. A very good soap opera, but still!

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Posted By: DippoMagoo
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Now that the fifth season has started, any new opinion?

My opinion on the show itself still stands, but this is going to be the season where we will really know if Benioff and Weiss (the two showrunners) are worthy of finishing the series, since they're now just about caught up with Martin, and apparently because of how slow books 4 and 5 are, they're going to be making huge changes, and so now we'll really get to see if they're up to the task. So far, most original material they've included throughout the series has been great, but this season for sure is going to be the toughest for them. The season premiere was solid, but not one of the show's better moments, though the last sequence was great.


Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 3:26am
Oh man! It's back, hahaha Big smile LOL

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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 5:48am
Never got into it. Is there more to Game Of Thrones than tits and fanny then? Not that that's a bad thing Big smile


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 7:00am

I haven┬┤t seen it yet, but tits and fanny sounds like a treat to me. I┬┤ll need to check it out Cool



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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2015 at 5:00am
Originally posted by Bosh66 Bosh66 wrote:

Never got into it. Is there more to Game Of Thrones than tits and fanny then? Not that that's a bad thing Big smile


WRONG!
It's tits, fanny, death, revenge, death, revenge, revenge, the occasional rape, more death, even more death, revenge, rape, death... And so on.

Also: dragons and zombies.


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Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2015 at 7:36am
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Bosh66 Bosh66 wrote:

Never got into it. Is there more to Game Of Thrones than tits and fanny then? Not that that's a bad thing Big smile


WRONG!
It's tits, fanny, death, revenge, death, revenge, revenge, the occasional rape, more death, even more death, revenge, rape, death... And so on.

Also: dragons and zombies.

Also torture and OCCASIONAL castration. And dwarf. Lots of dwarf.


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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2015 at 7:43am
Zombies!!! Really? That┬┤s pretty cool. Now I got to see it. Dragons, Zombies, and fanny. Sounds like a Troma movie gone bad.

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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2015 at 12:31pm
I'm way behind - only starting the 2nd series but I am enjoying it. Think I'd better keep out of this thread or i might see something that gives the plot away.


Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 8:28am
I still haven't seen a smidgen of any of it. 


Posted By: powermetal2000
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 4:21pm
Overrated? Not in my opinion but of course if you don't like fantasy (at least not fantasy beyond LotR) then you probably won't get the hype.


Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 6:54am
Originally posted by powermetal2000 powermetal2000 wrote:

Overrated? Not in my opinion but of course if you don't like fantasy (at least not fantasy beyond LotR) then you probably won't get the hype.


Exactly my situation; I do not like the fantasy type, dragons & dungeons type so I do not get the hype. And it's sometimes annoying for me to hear people babbling about it.




Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: 03 May 2015 at 3:28pm
^^^^^^ But, but, but the ladies, man!

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Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 04 May 2015 at 10:50am
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

^^^^^^ But, but, but the ladies, man!


LOL sadly, good-looking ladies can't save a movie, if only it was so easy.


Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: 04 May 2015 at 4:11pm
Originally posted by LittleBig LittleBig wrote:

Originally posted by powermetal2000 powermetal2000 wrote:

Overrated? Not in my opinion but of course if you don't like fantasy (at least not fantasy beyond LotR) then you probably won't get the hype.


Exactly my situation; I do not like the fantasy type, dragons & dungeons type so I do not get the hype. And it's sometimes annoying for me to hear people babbling about it.




Well, it's more dungeons than dragons. The main element of the plot is the political and military conflict through the continent in which the story is set.
If there are some traditional heroic fantasy elements (yes, there are dragons, but they appear in the 4 season, as "toddlers", if I can say), the writing is focused on the relationships between the warring families, and most of the deaths are due to the human hand, not some supernatural being.


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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 05 May 2015 at 1:46am
Originally posted by LittleBig LittleBig wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

^^^^^^ But, but, but the ladies, man!


LOL sadly, good-looking ladies can't save a movie, if only it was so easy.
 
...I don┬┤t know! It saved a few porn Flicks didn┬┤t it? Big smile


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Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 05 May 2015 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Originally posted by LittleBig LittleBig wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

^^^^^^ But, but, but the ladies, man!


LOL sadly, good-looking ladies can't save a movie, if only it was so easy.
 
...I don┬┤t know! It saved a few porn Flicks didn┬┤t it? Big smile


but porn is not the topic here, movies and TV series are.

anyway, I'm outta here considering I'm not even into GoT


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 05 May 2015 at 1:41pm
^Oh damn wrong thread then...Cool

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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: 11 May 2015 at 5:58pm
Hey, Game of Thrones has its own porn scenes doesn't it? Yeah!! Cool

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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 3:34am
Originally posted by Bosh66 Bosh66 wrote:

Never got into it. Is there more to Game Of Thrones than tits and fanny then? Not that that's a bad thing Big smile

There's lots of gay wiener too. Haven't you seen the South Park episodes "Black Friday","A Song Of Ass And Fire", and "Titties And Dragons"? Cartman makes Butters watch GoT, and butters is most disturbed by the amount of wiener in it, and George RR Martin makes a speech all about wiener too.

My favourite all time TV show. It has stuck reasonably closely to the books at times, and there's still half a book which hasn't made it to screen yet. I love that it has such high production values, and the way it looks. Each city or keep is definitely a new location and not just a re-dressed set. Some of the characters are a bit cardboard-cut-out-ish, but that's down to Martin's awful writing, and Lena Heady's hopeless acting. Otherwise, TV doesn't get much better.


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 6:38am
Just started watching the show, and read the first book in a week. I┬┤m hooked.

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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 2:16pm
Just a warning for anyone who reads the books and decides to try any more George RR Martin books: avoid his first novel Dying Of The Light. It's fucking awful! It was written in 1977 and is sci-fi rather than fantasy, and it seems to hit just about every SF cliche of the era, the plot really drags, and the main character is such an asshole you can't feel any sympathy or connection with him. The setting and the initial premise are quite good, but after the scene setting chapter at the beginning of the book, it just goes downhill from there.


Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 3:08pm
Martin ain't a good writer at all style-wise, imo. He's got a knack for weaving plots and intrigues that keep people involved in the story, though. The way he achieves all that is often questionable but well, whatever works is fine, right? ;)

I am going to sound bitter and maybe you're not going to like it, but I really hate the way western/english/american fantasy and sci-fi has dominated the market to the point where much better writers from, say, eastern Europe (Wink) struggle to even get noticed despite being cherished by their fanbases for decades. They often get critically acclaimed and all - for instance Stanisław Lem is considered one of the greatest philosophers and sci-fi writers of the last century but he somehow remains unknown to western audience. And well, the communism is mostly to be blamed for that, but I still find it sad.

But back to topic. Was the 5th season any good? 


EDIT: By saying "much better writers", I didn't mean they're better than all western writers, just better than some that got huge recognition despite not being so good. Most of my favourite authors are French-speaking or English-speaking, so don't get me wrong there ;d


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 3:31pm
The only non-Song of Ice and Fire GRRM book I've read is Fevre Dream. While I enjoyed the story it took me quite a while to actually get through and it's a fraction of the size of ASoIaF novels. I have a few more of his books in the house but not read them. I know that I have The Armageddon Rag and Tuf Voyaging at the very least. I might have Dying of the Light as well, honestly can't remember. 

Not really sure what makes a writer really great style wise but I never had a problem with GRRM regarding the ASoIaF books. Might be an interesting debate to have sometime. 

And sorry Bartosz, I can't say I've heard of Stanis┼éaw Lem. Embarrassed I will say though that Andrzej Sapkowski's (translated, of course) work has been some of the best page turners I've read in a long time. 

As for the 5th season, I enjoyed it, but the deviations from the source happen more and more as characters get cut (including POV characters!), merged, or the story advances beyond the novels. It's still recognisable though, which is the main thing,


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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 3:36pm
Originally posted by bartosso bartosso wrote:

 Stanis┼éaw Lem 

Solaris is an absolutely amazing book. I know I only know it from English translations (erm, I'm figuring it was originally written in Polish?), but it has some of the most incredible, vivid and beautiful descriptive passages I've ever come across. He seems to give human emotions and feelings a physical presence in his descriptions of the surface of Solaris. George Clooney should be shot for that turd of a movie he made out of it.

In general I avoid fantasy like the plague, unless it's Terry Pratchett. I had bad experiences with DragonLance about 30 years ago, and only just recently read The Hobbit, which has put me off fantasy yet again.

I thought the 5th series was great. To me, GoT seems to be getting better as it goes. A lot of people were unhappy at some of the deaths, and are looking for unlikely resurrections in the next series. They need to get over it! I knew what was coming cos I've read the books, but they were still somewhat shocking. I'm looking forward to series six because there's very little left from the books to cover.


Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

The only non-Song of Ice and Fire GRRM book I've read is Fevre Dream. While I enjoyed the story it took me quite a while to actually get through and it's a fraction of the size of ASoIaF novels. I have a few more of his books in the house but not read them. I know that I have The Armageddon Rag and Tuf Voyaging at the very least. I might have Dying of the Light as well, honestly can't remember. 

Not really sure what makes a writer really great style wise but I never had a problem with GRRM regarding the ASoIaF books. Might be an interesting debate to have sometime. 

And sorry Bartosz, I can't say I've heard of Stanis┼éaw Lem. Embarrassed I will say though that Andrzej Sapkowski's (translated, of course) work has been some of the best page turners I've read in a long time. 

As for the 5th season, I enjoyed it, but the deviations from the source happen more and more as characters get cut (including POV characters!), merged, or the story advances beyond the novels. It's still recognisable though, which is the main thing,
Yeah well, it's not like he's terrible. It sounded a little bit like I thought he was though, sorry about that LOL 

As for Lem, I don't think you should feel bad for not knowing someone who couldn't get their books into the western market because of the iron curtain that separated us from others until 1990s. I strongly recommend checking him out even though I've heard the translation of Solaris is not very good. I think they translated it into English from the french version, not the original one. Not sure about that. Anyway Solaris is the one to read first even if the quality of its translation is questionable.

Sapkowski is very good too and he is a good stylist as well. I think his style has been reasonably well conveyed in the english translation, for a change ;) I'm glad you like him because he's one of my favourite fantasy writers overall. And literally the only good one in Poland, at least right now, not sure about the 90s when he was actually writing any good books. We have many fantasy writers but most of them suck.


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Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

Originally posted by bartosso bartosso wrote:

 Stanis┼éaw Lem 

Solaris is an absolutely amazing book. I know I only know it from English translations (erm, I'm figuring it was originally written in Polish?), but it has some of the most incredible, vivid and beautiful descriptive passages I've ever come across. He seems to give human emotions and feelings a physical presence in his descriptions of the surface of Solaris. George Clooney should be shot for that turd of a movie he made out of it.

In general I avoid fantasy like the plague, unless it's Terry Pratchett. I had bad experiences with DragonLance about 30 years ago, and only just recently read The Hobbit, which has put me off fantasy yet again.

I thought the 5th series was great. To me, GoT seems to be getting better as it goes. A lot of people were unhappy at some of the deaths, and are looking for unlikely resurrections in the next series. They need to get over it! I knew what was coming cos I've read the books, but they were still somewhat shocking. I'm looking forward to series six because there's very little left from the books to cover.

Wow, you made my day, sir :)

Also, good to know that the translation is not bad, after all.


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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 4:01pm
Pleased to be of service.Smile Just remembered I tried watching the 1972 movie version of Solaris. Had to give up though, because it had no subtitles. From everything I've every read it is supposed to be far superior to the other movie.


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 4:09pm
I've actually seen the Clooney Solaris. Didn't think much of it from what I recall of that film. 

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Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 4:31pm
Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

Pleased to be of service.Smile Just remembered I tried watching the 1972 movie version of Solaris. Had to give up though, because it had no subtitles. From everything I've every read it is supposed to be far superior to the other movie.
It was directed by a russian director Andrei Tarkovsky - Lem is reaaally big in Russia. Lem himself hated all adaptations, and there were three: Tarkovsky's, the clooney one and one more but I don't remember who made it.
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

I've actually seen the Clooney Solaris. Didn't think much of it from what I recall of that film. 
The Clooney one (it was directed by Steven Soderbergh if I remember correctly) hasn't much in common with the book apart from the title.


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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2021 at 3:21am
I was bored and didn't watch it after the first half of its 2nd season.

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Posted By: Iwan Ruby
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2021 at 11:30am
very good, until in the end it had to end with the last episode which i thought was disappointing..

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2021 at 5:32pm
I thought it was great up to the last season and then it sucked.

Some dude on YouTube narrated an alternative final season and i wish he wouldl've finished the series because they pretty much bungled the entire woven plot system that worked very well for the most part.

The BBC Merlin series was cool


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2021 at 1:02am
Game of Thrones may have had a better ended if GRRM had got his arse in gear and got those last two books written by the time the show caught up. 

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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2021 at 6:09am
I enjoyed it but it did drag a bit at times.


Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2022 at 6:05pm
I put it in the "little bit" overrated category. I enjoyed the whole series, but the last season I think would have been better spread over a few more episodes. Without giving away key plot points, some of the twists that angered the fan base I didn't necessarily have an issue with in theory. Execution was somewhat lacking.

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