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Topic: Five Star Ratings
Posted By: adg211288
Subject: Five Star Ratings
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2012 at 4:38pm
This is something I was thinking of today, having seen so many different scoring systems used I realised that people can have the same regard for an album, film, or anything really as another but score it differently dependant on their own personal system. It got me thinking about 5 star ratings, the top tier, in particular and under what conditions we give out a 5 star rating or review on MMA. I know some of us are more free with them than others. The above poll represents what I see as three common options:
100% Only - You only rate with 5 stars if you'd rate with 100%. 95%+ - Mathematical rounding. You realise that when there are ten rating options of stars and half stars, anything rated at 95% or above equates to 10/10 or 5 stars. Never - the nothing is perfect option. Not sure I've seen anyone here like this, but I have on Rate Your Music.
There is also an Other option just in case, although I'd like to think it won't be needed.
Personally I use the second option.
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Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2012 at 6:01pm
I tend to evaluate albums in rather strictly mathematical way, so I obviously went with B. I'm generally giving 5-star ratings really really seldom.
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Posted By: Diogenes
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2012 at 10:21pm
You know, when I first registered on this site, I dreaded giving out 5 star ratings (or 1 star ratings, for that matter) because that meant to me that the album was perfect. I guess I've become a little more lenient since then (and I should probably go through all of my ratings to adjust them accordingly), because I found that a 5 star album shouldn't necessarily be a perfect album. This gets into your question of percentage, to which I say that there isn't really a straight-up conversion; in my opinion, they're two totally different rating systems and should be treated as such. When I read reviews that are posted to both MMA and EM (and all due respect to the people who write them), it's pretty obvious that they're written for one scoring system and that the review doesn't quite match the opposite site's rating. Like, a 4 star rating on this site shouldn't automatically equal an 80% on the other, you know?
I guess I'll go with B. I don't give 5 star ratings unless the album seems really special to me, but that still doesn't automatically make it perfect IMO.
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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2012 at 12:15am
Diogenes wrote:
Like, a 4 star rating on this site shouldn't automatically equal an 80% on the other, you know?
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Agreed. It's easier to convert the other way around. i.e. 79%, 80% and 82% all round to a 4 star. But 85% rounds to a 4.5. Since I use decimal on Heavy Metal Haven, that's how I convert my scores to MMA's system in any case.
It's because of that therefore why I always have raised eyebrows when people score the same release so different on different sites or systems.i.e. write 9.2 in the text and give it five stars when 9.2 is clearly closer to a 4.5.
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Posted By: Wilytank
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2012 at 6:03am
adg211288 wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
Like, a 4 star rating on this site shouldn't automatically equal an 80% on the other, you know?
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Agreed. It's easier to convert the other way around. i.e. 79%, 80% and 82% all round to a 4 star. But 85% rounds to a 4.5. Since I use decimal on Heavy Metal Haven, that's how I convert my scores to MMA's system in any case.
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I work the other way. Almost always rounding down. Within the 4.5 area, I range from 89 to 94. But 88 down to 79 is a 4. I'd rather not give an album more credit than it really deserves.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2012 at 8:02am
I only give albums 5 star ratings that I subjectively feel are the best albums out there. Very rarely have I rounded up to a full 5 star rating.
When it comes to perfection I guess I throw the objective atitude overboard.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2012 at 9:37am
I occasionally round up to five stars on ProgArchives (where half-stars are not available), but I don't round up here. Like Jonas said, I also only give out 5 star ratings to albums I feel are the best out there. I don't really think about it in percentages, though.
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2012 at 9:06pm
J-Man wrote:
I occasionally round up to five stars on ProgArchives (where half-stars are not available), but I don't round up here. Like Jonas said, I also only give out 5 star ratings to albums I feel are the best out there. I don't really think about it in percentages, though.
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Same here.
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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 1:40am
I guess it's not an issue like that when you don't ever work in percentages or decimals. Being a decimal user though I've always gone with the rules of maths that I was taught in school. If its 4 or under, round down. If its 5 or above, round up.
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Posted By: Wilytank
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 9:04pm
I think it's better to score an album based on its own merit. I'm not going to preclude an album a 100 just because I didn't enjoy it as much as The Dwelling.
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Posted By: Diogenes
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2012 at 9:40pm
Wilytank wrote:
I think it's better to score an album based on its own merit. I'm not going to preclude an album a 100 just because I didn't enjoy it as much as The Dwelling. |
That too. I always try to review albums in a vacuum, but it's harder than you think if you're actually looking out for it.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2012 at 5:23pm
I have a bad habit of regarding everything I like as perfect or near it, so hard to say
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2012 at 5:28pm
Triceratopsoil wrote:
I have a bad habit of regarding everything I like as perfect or near it, so hard to say
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Haha, I suffer from this bad habit as well. But I also don't think I want to stop since I don't really consider it suffering....
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Posted By: progshine
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 10:51pm
Humm, I usually give 5 stars only to something is really perfect.. for me. So I don't really think Perfect is unreachable. What is perfection anyway? It changes from person to person
But I'll go with 100% believing in what I just said, perfect by my standards
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Posted By: renkls
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2012 at 3:32am
To me, there's no such thing as a perfect album, because to me that would be one that fits every mood, playable at any time and that lasts without diminishing returns. Every album I have heard falls into at least one pitfall, however slight. But there's albums that come close to perfect, so all my 5 star ratings are 95-99%.
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 12:02am
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2014 at 5:27am
Eria Tarka wrote:
I use the second option. |
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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2014 at 12:21am
I give 5-star ratings quite a bit, but that's because there are a lot of albums that I find flawless. I went with the second option, seeing as there are a few albums I've given 5-stars that aren't 'flawless' and have one or two weak tracks.
I've never went with percentages, I just go with how I feel about the album and how good it sounds to me. I'll sometimes feel differently about albums and go back and edit or remake reviews, but that doesn't happen very often.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2014 at 1:16am
Unitron wrote:
I give 5-star ratings quite a bit, but that's because there are a lot of albums that I find flawless. I went with the second option, seeing as there are a few albums I've given 5-stars that aren't 'flawless' and have one or two weak tracks.
I've never went with percentages, I just go with how I feel about the album and how good it sounds to me. I'll sometimes feel differently about albums and go back and edit or remake reviews, but that doesn't happen very often. |
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Posted By: Psydye
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2014 at 3:34am
Unitron wrote:
I give 5-star ratings quite a bit, but that's because there are a lot of albums that I find flawless. I went with the second option, seeing as there are a few albums I've given 5-stars that aren't 'flawless' and have one or two weak tracks.
I've never went with percentages, I just go with how I feel about the album and how good it sounds to me. I'll sometimes feel differently about albums and go back and edit or remake reviews, but that doesn't happen very often. |
Pretty much me.
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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 1:18am
I used to write for a website which had a bloody stupid 0-100 system, but the way it worked, 75 was average. Have also noticed that magazines with 0-10 systems generally give 7 as average, or 3.5 in a 0-5 system.
I don't like ratings at all. Readers get lazy and just look at the rating, and writers often prejudge the rating and then write a review to fit it. I reckon if you can't figure out if something is any good or not just from reading the review, then either the reviewer has done a bad job or you're fucking thick. Metal Maniacs magazine used to have ratings free reviews, and it also had the best reviews. Coincidence?
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 7:27am
Ratings are just an attempt to quantify how much you like the album. It's fun, but it's not hugely important. My method is that, if I like, love, adore, dislike, hate, or am indifferent to an album, I rate it accordingly.
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Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 7:42am
Vim Fuego wrote:
I used to write for a website which had a bloody stupid 0-100 system, but the way it worked, 75 was average. Have also noticed that magazines with 0-10 systems generally give 7 as average, or 3.5 in a 0-5 system.
I don't like ratings at all. Readers get lazy and just look at the rating, and writers often prejudge the rating and then write a review to fit it. I reckon if you can't figure out if something is any good or not just from reading the review, then either the reviewer has done a bad job or you're fucking thick. Metal Maniacs magazine used to have ratings free reviews, and it also had the best reviews. Coincidence? |
I've been bitching about how bad ratings are for quite some time now, I guess some of our dear forum members may be already fed up with my one-man crusade seriously though, I'm so glad to see you expressing a similar opinion :) I'd get rid of ratings entirely if I could... even though I admit that my views have evolved quite dramatically throughout the years. I tried to justify their existence but in the end I decided they have very few redeeming qualities.
Still, I don't give too many 5-star ratings. Not because I don't think those albums are perfect - nothing is perfect, after all, and sometime imperfections are what makes an album unique. I just rarely like something that much.
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 8:10am
I don't think an album has to be 100% or even 95% to be 5 star, but must be of an overall very high standard. It could even have a track or 2 that weren't that great as long as they weren't too much of the overall playing time. I don't give out 5 stars lightly though.
Having a rating is useful, not so much for individual reviews, but for example, someone who didn't know much about death metal but wanted to explore it can look at the top list which of course is based on ratings.
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Posted By: powermetal2000
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 8:21am
I've given out 41 5 stars on MMA out of 1173 ratings made. I subscribe to an always round down policy, so if 4 stars is 80%, 4.5 is 90% and 5 is 100% etc, then something that scores 99% is a 4.5 because 99% is not 100% and therefore doesn't meet the 5 star threshold.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 8:58am
I round up, but I use a percentage rating too, so it´s obvious that some of my four star ratings aren´t a full four star rating but rather somewhere between 3.5 and 4 stars.
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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 5:01pm
powermetal2000 wrote:
I've given out 41 5 stars on MMA out of 1173 ratings made. I subscribe to an always round down policy, so if 4 stars is 80%, 4.5 is 90% and 5 is 100% etc, then something that scores 99% is a 4.5 because 99% is not 100% and therefore doesn't meet the 5 star threshold. |
Yeah, but what's the difference between a 99% album and a 100% album? And if you're going to have fractions, then why not have a 0-10 or 0-100 system? Why not 0-1000? Or 666? I've seen such systems. I tried to simplify things myself with a "Yes/Maybe/No" system (as in "is this worthy of my collection?"), but then found myself trying to justify partial ratings, like "yes, if you're completist, but otherwise, maybe..." or "maybe, but you'll only listen to it once or twice", so I gave up.
I like fucking with the rating system on Amazon. If something has lots of 5 stars and not many 1's, I'll go and give it a 1 on purpose, no matter what I think of it. I haven't done that here, because this is a METAL site.
At the end of the day, I'm a writer, and I want people to read and appreciate my genius at manipulating the English language. All writers ultimately want to be read, and those little rating things mean people stop reading.
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Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 5:22pm
^ Not gonna lie, your post moved me, cracked me up and made me feel like I am not alone in this world... It was basically like a good ecchi anime! Thank you!
Also, we just need a color based rating system where anything brown, yellow and green is bad; purple and pink is awesome and lilac is not bad.
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Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 10:21pm
Diogenes wrote:
I guess I'll go with B. I don't give 5 star ratings unless the album seems really special to me, but that still doesn't automatically make it perfect IMO.
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This.
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