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Topic: Jethro Tull

Posted By: arcane-beautiful
Subject: Jethro Tull
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 6:20pm

come on...these dudes are a hard rock band with folk influences...makes sense doesn't it.

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 6:23pm

Despite having won best metal performance, I think we had this discussion before and decided that they really only have 2-3 songs AT MOST on any particular album that you can even call hard rock. Not a fit, sorry.

edit: the previous thread from 2010 isn't very helpful as that was before we added the Hard Rock subgenre, but when we added the hard rock sub there was some kind of discussion in the collab zone. I'll see if I can find it.

Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 6:34pm

I found some discussion on the last page of "controversial subgenres" thread stickied in this section:

Triceratopsoil wrote:

I think they have about 3 songs in their entire discography that you could call "hard rock" but not even proto-metal.

My opinion.

J-Man wrote:

I'm a massive Jethro Tull fan (I'm actually wearing an Aqualung shirt at the moment LOL

), but I wouldn't say they have enough relevance within the metal community to justify an addition. A few kinda heavy-ish songs isn't good enough IMO.

UMUR wrote:

Well...they did win a metal grammy...

Seriously I actually think they have quite a few tracks that could qualify as hard rock, but hard rock is not the first thing that comes to mind when thinking about Jethro Tull and we should probably be vary of adding borderline hard rock acts to MMA as hard rock is already a borderline metal sub genre in itself.

Both Certif1ed and (former collab) Cannon outright rejected them for proto-metal. There actually aren't any posts about them in the hard rock thread; the discussion I was referring to is quoted above. Not a single collaborator has at any point posted in favor of adding them.

I hope that helps.

Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 4:54am

I think that pretty much sums it up Colin. It�s my sensation that most Collabs don�t consider Jethro Tull a "hard rock" act even though some of their material could be clasified as such. They�ve never released a fully fledged hard rock album though and that�s the deciding factor. Unless someone want�s to comment more on this, this thread will be locked. I�ll wait about a week to do it though.

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Posted By: Tupan
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 6:49am

^I think you can close this thread. Jethro Tul, is not HR IMO.

Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 7:14am

I could see Aqualung maybe having a case for proto-metal (mainly for the title track and "Cross-Eyed Mary"), but the rest of their discography doesn't seem fit for hard rock or proto-metal IMO. Even that album is fairly borderline.

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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 7:38am

Yeah, I love me some Jethro Tull, but I don't think they belong on this site, sorry.

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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 1:27pm

Some of their non Prog albums could qualify as Hard Rock, but overall no.

Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 6:01pm

J-Man wrote:

I could see Aqualung maybe having a case for proto-metal (mainly for the title track and "Cross-Eyed Mary")

The problem with that theory is more of the album is gentle acoustic guitar and flute than anything else.

Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 11:58pm

Sheavy wrote:

Some of their non Prog albums could qualify as Hard Rock, but overall no.

I think the question is if they are not just "rock" and not "hard rock" and as mentioned above those albums need to be fully fledged hard rock albums to be added to MMA. Hard Rock is a borderline metal sub genre as it is. We�re not interested in bringing in borderline hard rock acts to the site.

...If anyone wants to suggest Jethro Tull for hard rock I think they should suggest them in the hard rock team thread with a link to this thread. It is after all that team who decides if they want to add Jethro Tull or not.

...the reason I wanted to lock the thread was because I thought they had already been rejected but now I�m suddenly not so sure.

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 7:58pm

Triceratopsoil wrote:

J-Man wrote:

I could see Aqualung maybe having a case for proto-metal (mainly for the title track and "Cross-Eyed Mary")

The problem with that theory is more of the album is gentle acoustic guitar and flute than anything else.

Yep, I'd probably agree with that. Smile

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 10:52pm

UMUR wrote:

Sheavy wrote:

Some of their non Prog albums could qualify as Hard Rock, but overall no.

...the reason I wanted to lock the thread was because I thought they had already been rejected but now I�m suddenly not so sure.

It seems they haven't formally been evaluated for hard rock, just rejected for proto- and I think trad too

Posted By: Nick Dilley
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 11:11pm

Tull is early prog, come on!

The Goo Goo Dolls had a few heavy songs on their first album, does that mean they belong on MMA?

I'm not being facetious, just asking. Every now and then bands will dabble in heavier sounds, but that doesn't mean they are metal. And I say this as someone who is very familiar with metal, but not a metal "snob."

I dunno, just my opinion. :)

Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 1:34am

I would actually not be opposed to considering perhaps possibly re-evaluating Stand Up for inclusion under proto - the rest of their discography could easily be tagged non-metal.

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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 2:33am

Well...if the hard rock team wants to evaluate on Jethro Tull, it�s their call.

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Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 6:11am

http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3790&PID=71561#71561" rel="nofollow - To be fair only the albums from Crest to Catfish are hard rock. You'd have to have an awful lot of 'non metal' albums up for the sake of three albums.

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Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 3:09am

Rejected by HR.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Thread closed as per site policy.

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