Belittled albums that you actually like
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Topic: Belittled albums that you actually like
Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Subject: Belittled albums that you actually like
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 7:59am
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Often, I'll find myself wondering what is wrong with a certain album to cause such an outpouring of hate from so many people, because when I put it on, all I hear is a good record. So, which albums do you like that the world hates ? My personal choices: Guns N Roses - Chinese Democracy - Good album, history doesn't matter. Metallica - St Anger - Great album, snare drum and solos don't matter. Yes - Tales Of Topographic Oceans - Good album, length doesn't matter. Jethro Tull - A Passion Play - Great album, length doesn't matter. Machine Head - Supercharger - Too fun to let the style change matter Black Sabbath - Technical Ecstasy - Dirty Women is classic and 'You Wont Change Me' is their Stairway. Fear Factory - Digimortal - Too fun to let the style change matter Judas Priest - Turbo - Too fun to let the style change matter Also Slayer's three most recent albums sometimes get too much jip for my tastes, I can't figure that one out at all. Oh, and while Dynasty by Kiss isn't up in this list, the song 'Save Your Love' off of it is my favurite Kiss song. -------------  My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 8:36am
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Kreator - Renewal (people absolutely hated this album when it came out, but I�ve always liked it and it�s probably my favorite Kreator album). Pestilence - Spheres (this is another album everyone loved to hate back when it was released and honestly it took a few years to grow on me too. Time has given Spheres it�s rightful position among the most influential tech/prog death metal albums out there though) ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 8:46am
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Metallica: St. Anger (they went back to playing aggressive and fast music and, in my book, much better than Load & ReLoad) Metallica: Death Magnetic (the criticism it has received seems more like an instance of general Metallica bashing - for my money, it's their best album since Justice) Judas Priest: Turbo (I like their experiments with guitar synths) Judas Priest: Jugulator & Demolition (Tim Owens does a great job!) Celtic Frost: Cold Lake (it's really not as miserable as people say) Celtic Frost: Vanity/Nemesis (for some reason, lumped in with Cold Lake, although the style is completely different - I think it's a pretty good album) Pestilence: Spheres (I loved it since the first time I heard it) Atheist: Elements (ditto) Carcass: Swansong (I quite like it although it's not their best album) .... and loads more. ------------- 
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 9:07am
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Time Signature wrote:Posted By: Wilytank
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 11:02am
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Dream Theater - albums six through ten. In my opinion, they are superior to everything they released before. Cryptopsy - Whisper Supremacy. It's overshadowed by the two albums before it, but again I believe it's superior. "Emaciate" blew me away the first time I listened to it. Been hooked on it since. Striborg - most of the discography. Sin Nanna makes some pretty interesting music, but a lot of people find it annoying. Sure, there are some songs that could have been shorter than they are, but there are also lots of awesome moments. Funeral - Tristesse. Influential funeral doom metal overshadowed by Skepticism, Thergothen, and Esoteric in the genre's early years. It was also my key into understanding the genre as a whole. Ahab - The Divinity of Oceans. This album had a stronger initial hook on me than the debut even though most view the debut as superior. "Yet Another Raft of the Medusa (Pollard's Weakness)" is one of my favorite songs of the funeral doom genres. Sunn O))) - almost everything they made. Let's face it; it's hard to hook yourself on this band, but even harder to unhook yourself. If you've listened to the band, they're either a cult classic or an annoyance. Dimmu Borgir - their later albums (specifically, Enthrone Darkness Triumphant, Spiritual Black Dimensions, the Stormblast re-recording, and Deathcult Armageddon). Coming from Encyclopaedia Metallum, there are a lot of people who say that the band is now terrible but used to be great, particularly For All Tid ( http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Dimmu_Borgir/For_All_Tid/336/" rel="nofollow - http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Dimmu_Borgir/For_All_Tid/336/ ). I have to agree with AngelOfBreath and Empyreal's reviews; I actually think this album is their weakest. I await the re-recording. ------------- 
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 11:06am
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Dream Theater - Octavarium (People love to hate this one, but it's one of my favorite albums of all time) Pain of Salvation - Scarsick (Most folks detest this one... I personally love the controversial lyrics and angsty raw metal style) Metallica - Death Magnetic (While I don't like the few albums before it, I've never understood the hate this one generates) Genesis - And Then There Were Three & Duke (Both of these albums are considered the start of Genesis' pop era, but they are both amazing albums IMO) ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 11:24am
Again I completely agree with DT and PoS (but as Jeff knows they were to write I adore Genesis, although the day my sister walked into my bedroom proudly holding "Duke" a pop, disco and R 'n' B fanatic saying how good it was, was sadly the last time it saw my turntable. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112" rel="nofollow - http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112 
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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 11:28am
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Death Magnetic here as well, although I've never been that impressed with Hetfield's vocals on it. I'll say St. Anger as well, seeing as it introduced me to metal. I'm not surely if this one is widely panned or anything, perhaps because it's not that widely known, but I'll also say Coronatus' Porta Obscura. I often see it down as the band's worst album, but I actually think it's their best. Female fronted gothic metal often gets panned by the wider metal crowd, but this album is actually pretty damn intense, not as commercial as the bigger acts like Lacuna Coil or Sirenia either. The stuff Iced Earth did with Tim Owens as well, always felt it was better than many have made out, especially The Glorious Burden. Along the same lines, Derrick Green era Sepultura as well. Nightwish's Dark Passion Play was also their best since Wishmaster. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 12:24pm
Oh, good shout. ------------- My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 12:44pm
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I forgot to mention the more recent Cradle of Filth albums. I enjoy them quite a lot, even though a decent number of metalheads love to make fun of them. ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 2:55pm
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I really like Load and Reload by Metallica. The Black Album was the wake up call to fans that they were making the transition to hard rock and leaving thrash behind, but Load/Re-load I think did the rock thing better with a darker, more stripped down sound. Granted, I don't kid myself and know there is some weak stuff on there. As for Death Magnetic getting hate, I think much of it comes from the mix being pretty horrible. It's generally commended as a step in the right direction. I really haven't listened to this album for more than maybe 5 times as I don't even own a copy. ------------- https://armchairmaestro.com/" rel="nofollow - My Music Blog |
Posted By: Doomster
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 3:39pm
| To be honest I like Lulu. *Hides* |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 3:41pm
This I also am possibly the only person ever who thinks DT's debut is their best |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 4:06pm
You're probably right about that.  ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 4:13pm
I like them, too, and I really don't consider them pop albums at all. -------------
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 4:21pm
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 4:23pm
Yeah, aside from one or two tracks on each, I don't either. ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 4:24pm
| Metallica - Load, Reload, S&M, Garage Inc. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 4:24pm
I actually dig that album quite a bit (the fact that it was released in 1989 also means it's one of the earlier full-blown prog metal albums), but the production is just so shitty that most of my enjoyment is diminished.  ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 4:26pm
I absolutely adore ...And Then There Were Three. It may be the beginning of the more pop oriented period of Genesis discography but it�s actually a very progressive album. I love the futuristic production, the musicianship is outstanding as ever and some of the songs are so well written they almost bring tears to my eyes. "Burning Rope" is my alltime favorite Genesis track. I like it so much I want it played at my funeral. Check out all those little clever time signature changes. Amazing!!! Duke!!! ahh well I like some of it but I�ll probably never be a fan.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 4:33pm
Couldn't agree more. That's an amazing song too! ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 5:08pm
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I don't like it. I hate time signatures!
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 5:11pm
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 6:16pm
S&M is admitted pretty good |
Posted By: Diogenes
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 7:14pm
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Roots and the first Soulfly album. I'm sure there are more but those are all I can think of right now. And Rapid Eye Movement by Riverside isn't necessarily belittled, but the general opinion seems to be that it's their weakest, which I totally disagree with. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 7:34pm
it's my favourite Riverside album |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 2:57am
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 3:12am
I've heard worse (the mix on Justice is much worse, I think) so I don't have that big a problem with the production either, but I can see how Death Magnetic might come across as being poorly produced in comparison with the pristine and clinically clean productions that characterize a lot of releases these days. -------------
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Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 7:26am
Its not so much the production in that respect as far as I'm aware. Wasn't it one of those loudness war flagbearers, like Vapour Trails by Rush ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war ------------- My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: Xaxaar
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 11:04pm
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Toby Driver - In the L..L..Library Loft - As where some people do like it, a lot of people (most of the people in my experience) call it such things as: "a washing machine cleaning clothes for an hour" or "random noise that means nothing." Kayo Dot - Coyote - Once again, the prog community seems to like this one a bit, but the average Toby Driver fan seems to say this is as bad as Blue Lambency Downward. And while I still enjoy Blue Lambency Downward and wouldn't call it bad by any means, Coyote is still far ahead in my book. ------------- 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 12:22am
one of my favourite albums ever |
Posted By: Woutjinho
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 6:24am
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Hard to say, from what I've read here, I don't like any of them.
I think I'd say brutal death metal in general, especially Cephalotripsy. Even fans of death metal dislike the band. -------------  |
Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 11:15am
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I like a lot of albums that people usually belittle or hate: Metallica - Load Megadeth - Risk Kreator - Endorama Genesis - And then there were three/Duke Kansas - Drastic Measures/Power/ In the Spirit of things Rush - Test for echo/Vapor trails Testament - The ritual Paradise Lost - their 1997-2005 albums get a lot of bashing, but I really like those albums. I'll be back because I surely have forgotten some albums. |
Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2011 at 11:10pm
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One comes to my mind right away - Cryptopsy's ONCE WAS NOT. Maybe not really hated, but it deserves much more recognition in my opinion. Amazing stuff. ------------- http://shrineofllyria.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - http://shrineofllyria.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Dominator
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2012 at 6:03pm
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I agree with some of you... Black Sabbath - Technical Ecstasy - I love this, it's raw,dark, and melancholy Dynasty - Kiss - They should've stayed disco haha! Kiss would never be on a favorite list of mine, but I genuinely thought they did a good job on this record. Pestilence - Spheres - Reminds me of a time once, when I first got this, I gave it to friends to play in the car on our way to a concert. After getting back in the car after stopping for lunch, music automatically started playing. We weren't sure if it was the local easy listening station or the latest Pestilence album! It is great, though. Judas Priest - Turbo - I just got into this album, actually! I couldn't accept it before because it wasn't what Priest should be about imo, but it's well-done. Dimmu Borgir - their later albums (specifically, Enthrone Darkness Triumphant, Spiritual Black Dimensions, the Stormblast re-recording, and Deathcult Armageddon) - I deeply dig all of these. Cradle of Filth - Midian - Epic! Paradise Lost - One Second - I'm absolutely ashamed as a metalhead and a musician to own up to this! Yet...it grabbed me in a weird way. 
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2012 at 6:46pm
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Theres quite a few Nu-Metal bands I like, that get bashed for being posers, never figured out how they are, it just seems like a lot of metalheads got pissy when Nu-Metal took the spotlight and needed something derisive to call them. (don't kill me please). Just like any other genre Nu-Metal has good (Slipknot) and utterly horrible (Limp Bizkit). I like Slipknot a lot, Korn occasionally puts out some good stuff, Disturbed is also pretty good. Early Napalm Death seems to get bashed here, and I love it. (Yes Scum is a masterpiece). Also Carcasses first album, not a masterpiece, but damn close. Metallica's Load was good. Opiate and Undertow by Tool are great grunge-y prog-y albums that, while not as good as later albums, their still extremely good. Nine Inch Nails With Teeth album gets the short end of the stick by most people, where I think it is just as good as The Downward Spiral.
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Posted By: Wilytank
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2012 at 8:25pm
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I also freaking love Samael's industrial albums. -------------
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Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2012 at 10:31pm
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The most glaring one that jumps out at me is St Anger. Though it's only a 3 out of 5 for me. There are some serious issues with it, but musically it just aint bad, some cool riffs and sections. I call it dumpster diving! I even don't mind the snare drum at all. Just because everyone says its awful =/= I need to say "omg no they really do" Honestly, every band/album has its fans...but being from PA and here (which seems progressive minded) pretty much most "mainstream" things or anything "untalented" are viewed with scorn. I like Rammstein which I think usually gets ridiculed by our crowd. Not a big fan but I can listen to Disturbed. Not metal... but I love Punk, and I'm talking old school or "traditional" punk. Not proggy post punk shit I'm a lot better with "albums/bands everyone loves" but I dont. While it grew it on me tons...I still think Crack the Skye by Mastodon is just good and not the second coming of Christ. Operation Mindcrime, along with all of Queensryche. Just don't care for it at all. ------------- Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer and Testament. The real Big Four of thrash metal! Listen to doom metal, worship Satan |
Posted By: Xaxaar
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2012 at 10:37pm
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NoMeansNo's Wrong is pretty sweet if you're looking for punk. But of course that's not a belittled album, just a punk recommendation. -------------
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2012 at 10:49pm
Black Flag/Flipper style punk?
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Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2012 at 11:17pm
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Sure, I mean I'm not hardcore into it or listen often but I do like it. Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, or even punk bands today like Leftover Crack/Choking victim. Or hardcore punk bands (and the original hardcore not...this semi metal hardcore we have now and no shit with keyboards!) I mean I love proggy stuff and experimentation and etc but punk is raw and straightforward and in your face. Keep your artsiness to the prog! ------------- Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer and Testament. The real Big Four of thrash metal! Listen to doom metal, worship Satan |
Posted By: Pelata
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2012 at 7:46am
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Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity Queensryche - Hear In The Now Frontier TNT - Firefly ------------- http://www.facebook.com/FinalSignOfficial" rel="nofollow - FINAL SIGN - US Power Metal |
Posted By: IMPF
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2012 at 5:11pm
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Posted By: DefinitionOfHatred
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2012 at 11:50am
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Anything by Slipknot
Ripper-era Judas Priest
Slayer - God Hates Us All ------------- Why is six afraid of seven? Because seven ate nine. |