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Topic: Albums You Love But Everyone Else Does Not
Posted By: LittleBig
Subject: Albums You Love But Everyone Else Does Not
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 8:17am
I've always wanted to create this thread, might as well do it. 

There are many albums I enjoy and to my surprise I am usually a minority. I think it happens to everyone though, so I hope you will list your albums that you love and know, whether in every day life or the internets, many dislike them. 

The obvious example that came to my mind is Paradise Lost - Host. First reviews I read when it came out were negative which had the opposite effect on me, all I could think was "how bad can it be? I want to hear it" LOL. I got it and enjoyed it ever since. 

I used to have this thing with a friend of mine in which we used to look for low rated albums on the internets and answer the question "How bad can it be?" and see which one we'd enjoy. 
My first one was Kansas- Drastic Measures which we both end up enjoying (over a couple of beers chatting about music, obviously). 
I do enjoy the melodic hard rock Kansas, basically their 80s output, might be because I started listening to them to what some might say, the wrong album LOL, 1986 album Power, first one with Steve Morse. I did not know much about them (that was long before the internet giving us information at an easy click).

Ok, more albums:
Iron Maiden - The X Factor (I do not like the next one though)

Rush - the synth era albums, which a lot of people complain about + Test for Echo (which has more negative reviews than positive ones)

Marillion - Holidays in Eden (I love this album), Radiation, Marillion.com and Somewhere Else.

Anthrax with John Bush - a lot of people seem to dislike those albums, I don't have a problem with them. 

Uriah Heep - their 80s output (another band I'd enjoy with my friend). 

AC/DC - Blow Up Your Video - my second favorite album with Brian Johnson. 

Judas Priest - Turbo 

Rainbow - the JLT albums - more people complain than appreciate them. 

Europe - their MTV years (1986-1991 albums), might be because their music put a smile on my face in some tough times, i'll always appreciate them. 

OK, that's all for now, be back soon with more albums, now it's your turn. 

I put this thread in the general music for you to mention any kind of music you like, not just metal. 









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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 8:32am
I wouldn't say I love them today but I do hold a nostalgic soft spot for the the bands and albums that I discovered rock and metal music with and can never hate them because of that. Some notables that people often hate are:

Metallica - St. Anger
Nickelback (any up to 2005)

But that's not quite what you asked, so...

I don't know how much this next one is hated (if at all) but, but a lot of people do tend to dislike Olzon's era in Nightwish:

Nightwish - Imaginaerum

It's actually one of my favourite Nightwish albums. Ironically when it first came out I thought it was terrible. It gradually grew it my estimations, then one day suddenly clicked and became a five star album for me. 

A lot of people seem to run down Myrkur in general while I've always found her approach to black metal to be refreshing. 

I might be able to think of some more, but this is what first comes to mind. I think I generally end up liking films more often that others say are crap. 


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 8:39am
Ah, here's something this would apply to for me: Most of Derrick Green era Sepultura. Always did prefer it overall to Max Cavalera's era. I especially enjoy Dante XXI and A-Lex. 

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Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 8:50am
Black Sabbath - Never Say Die and Seventh Star (the one with Glenn Hughes)




Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 11:24am
Hmm maybe Revelations of the Black Flame by 1349. I always thought that one copped a lot of unnecessary flak, but I always like the way they dared to do something a bit different which black metal fans aren't always open to. 


Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 11:24am
Ooh, fun!

A few already mentioned here:
Iron Maiden - X Factor. I also like Virtual XI, probably a bit more.
AC/DC - Blow Up Your Video is my favourite AC/DC album. It was also the first I got, so that might have some bearing on it. It is the most metal (as opposed to rock)of all their albums
John Bush era Anthrax - There's not a bad album in there. I am a bit of an Anthrax tragic though...
Black Sabbath - Seventh Star. One hell of a good song. This was supposed to be a Tony Iommi solo, but got rebranded as a Sabbath album.

Now mine:
Metallica - LuLu. This is a Lou Reed album with Metallica as backing band, not a true Metallica album. I started a review of it the other day. I really love some of the tracks on it.
Slayer - Undisputed Attitude and Diabolus In Musica. A lot of people don't like cover albums full stop, but I like 'em.

Um, I had more, but my mind has gone blank...


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 12:07pm
Later Carach Angren is most definitely not as bad as most seem to claim it to be, especially not This is No Fairytale. 

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 12:30pm
Ah, here's a good one, Christopher Lee's metal album. I can understand it for the first so called metal album he did because the guy who composed it's idea of metal was orchestral music with a few sporadic guitar sections, but the second one re-did the first's songs and expanded on it and was much better. And actually metal. It's a pity they didn't redo the vocal tracks which do sound like they were recorded for other arrangements, but it's really not bad and holds a rather unique place in my collection. 

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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 12:45pm
Honestly, there's loads, but I'd need to give it some thought. Many of the albums I regularly play are considered weaker releases going by ratings.

Just commenting on a couple of the big boys - 

Metallica - Load is okay but Reload bores me. I do however rate St Anger and Lulu is great.

Black Sabbath - NSD is okay but the weakest of the Ozzy albums, so I'm broadly in line there. But Technical Ecstacy I love. Seventh Star I agree is a really good album and very underated. Born Again is superb. Forbidden though is greatly overrated.

AC/DC - BUYV is a good album. I really like Fly On The Wall.

Much of the metal I listen too tends to be fairly obscure and most people hate it :-)



Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 2:10pm

Well I have a few favorites that are often mentioned among the weakest or least interesting among the artist´s releases:

Renewal by Kreator. I used to be a huge Kreator fan and like most other fans of the band Renewal made me confused and disappointed upon release. It didn´t take much time before it became my favorite album by Kreator though, and today it´s one of the only Kreator albums I still listen to regularly.
 
Odium by Morgoth. Odium didn´t have to grow on me, as I loved it right away, but otherwise the story is pretty similar to my history with Kreator, although I also still listen to the other Morgoth releases (Yes I like Feel Sorry.... too).
 
Someone mentioned synth-era Rush...that´s my favorite period too.
 
Genesis: ...and Then There Were Three and Duke are probably my favorite Genesis albums, and that´s not always a popular opinion among hardcore prog fans or hardcore fans of their most maintream 80s releases.
 
Napalm Death: Fear, Emptiness, Despair. I don´t know if it´s one of the most unpopular releases among the band´s fans, but it´s a different sounding release and I love it.
 
Joe Satriani. I like some of Satriani´s songs (seldom full albums), but one album stands out the most to me and it´s the 1995 eponymously titled blues album. That is one hell of a guitar album that one.


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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 3:39pm
Originally posted by LittleBig LittleBig wrote:

Black Sabbath - Never Say Die and Seventh Star (the one with Glenn Hughes)



Yes, Seventh Star is a great album, one of the better post Ozzy Sabbath albums IMO.


Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 3:47pm
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Someone mentioned synth-era Rush...that´s my favorite period too.

 
Genesis: ...and Then There Were Three and Duke are probably my favorite Genesis albums, and that´s not always a popular opinion among hardcore prog fans or hardcore fans of their most maintream 80s releases.
 

I think a lot of this has to do with when you discovered a band and where they were at that particular time. I like 70's Rush and Genesis the best because of that's the music that introduced me to them and it resonated in a big way with me. When a band you love suddenly changes style  drastically it's not surprising that older fans feel let down. If I'd discovered Rush and Genesis in the 80's maybe I'd have had a different view but more likely I'd have never got into them at all.


Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Genesis: ...and Then There Were Three and Duke are probably my favorite Genesis albums, and that´s not always a popular opinion among hardcore prog fans or hardcore fans of their most maintream 80s releases.

 

true
I've always liked their debut, teen Peter Gabriel's performance is awesome. 

I also like the album with Ray Wilson, I believe if that was released under a different name, would not have got so much hate. Ray Wilson, which is a good songwriter was misused and he said in the end the collaboration with Banks and Rutherford hurt his career more than helped it. It seems though he is allowed to play a few Genesis songs live and Steve Hackett invited him to sing live.


Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by LittleBig LittleBig wrote:

Rush - the synth era albums, which a lot of people complain about + Test for Echo (which has more negative reviews than positive ones)

Anthrax with John Bush - a lot of people seem to dislike those albums, I don't have a problem with them. 

Judas Priest - Turbo 

Agree with these, love or at least really like all of these. I get the complaints towards Turbo and the synth Rush albums, even though I disagree. Vocalist changes will always be met with some negativity unfortunately, no matter how great the music still is, but Test for Echo's negative reaction's never made any sense to me. It's not that different from Counterparts.

Originally posted by Bosh66 Bosh66 wrote:

Born Again is superb.

I think we're the only two people on this site who love that album LOL

For me:

Most nu metal (The greatest gift to me would be for people to stop the hate towards this entire genre.)

Rush - Vapor Trails (Loudness war lmao, like Rush's heaviest album shouldn't be loud. Both a heavy and beautiful album, and I can hear the raw emotion on this album from Peart's loss of his family)

Helstar - Multiples of Black (I don't think I've seen anyone outright dislike this album, mostly just indifference. Personally though, it's my second favorite album from them)

Judas Priest - Point of Entry (I've never been able to understand why people dislike this album. Such amazing songwriting, and Desert Plains is my all time favorite Judas Priest song.)

The pre-Cowboys Pantera albums (Power Metal kicks ass, and is a fantastic combination of early 80's-sounding thrash and heavy metal. Projects in the Jungle and I Am the Night are really good heavy metal albums too, even though they have a couple lame ballads)

Almost everything Metallica's done after the Black Album (Yes, even St. Anger. Other than Lulu, I find stuff to like in every album from them. Load might be my second favorite album from them, after Ride the Lightning.)

Megadeth - Risk (Don't know what to say about this other than I just really like it. Seven is a banger.)

Faith No More - Introduce Yourself (My favorite Faith No More album, a lot of people complain about Chuck Mosley's vocals, but I've always thought he exudes pure charisma and personality.)

That's enough metal for now, here's other music:

Daft Punk - Human After All (It's like people just wanted Discovery part two, this is an eclectic electronic album full of intense crashing and party jams.)

Underworld - Change the Weather (Underworld's one of my favorite bands, but a lot of people don't like their early synthpop/new wave stuff. It still sounds like Underworld though, Karl Hyde's a melody master regardless if he's playing pop or techno.)

Jungle Brothers - J. Beez Wit the Remedy (Yeah, the label cut some of the really out there stuff that would've made it even better than it already is, but this is a great hip hop album that balances the funky rhythms with an experimental side.)

Fatboy Slim - Palookaville (I actually unconsciously avoided this album for a while, even though I try and ignore the popular opinion. It's pretty good though, there are some pretty meh songs, but including some of my favorite Fatboy Slim songs makes up for it. The Journey especially has been a regular in my recent listening.)

That's all I got off the top of my head or with a quick glance of my collection.


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Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2020 at 1:23am
Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity and their debut are their lowest rated on PA, even lower than The (Un)Astonishing. I've never understood that. 

There was a DT best to worst list thread, and WDADU was at the bottom of a lot of lists. 


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2020 at 2:38am
I haven't tended to listen to the Dream Theater debut too much but it's far from my least favourite by them. I've always been a bit atypical with DT albums though. Like many I see Images and Words and Metropolis as their best, but find Awake very average. I also rate Black Clouds and Silver Linings highly but I remember at least at the time of its release that many seemed to run it down. 

It's been a long time since I went through the DT discography though and it's possible that my opinions on a lot of the albums may have changed. 


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2020 at 2:53am
Originally posted by 666sharon666 666sharon666 wrote:

Hmm maybe Revelations of the Black Flame by 1349. I always thought that one copped a lot of unnecessary flak, but I always like the way they dared to do something a bit different which black metal fans aren't always open to. 

I don't know much about 1349 but I have listened to that album before (to see if it was as bad as most say) and was pleasantly surprised by it. 

The only other album I know from them is Massive Cauldron of Chaos which I thought channelled 2000-2002 period Immortal to near worship levels. Revelations is a much bolder sounding release from what I recall. I may give it another whirl actually. 


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2020 at 3:22am
Going to throw Trivium in here too, especially Ascendancy. Not a band I really follow any more but I do still enjoy that album from time to time and remember how hated they were by self described 'serious metalheads' in my online community of that time that album was released. 

To this day I can't listen to Pull Harder on the Strings of Your Martyr and hear the lyrics properly due to a rather infamous misheard lyrics video made by a Trivium hater that did the rounds at the time. 


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Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2020 at 3:46am
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

I haven't tended to listen to the Dream Theater debut too much but it's far from my least favourite by them. I've always been a bit atypical with DT albums though. Like many I see Images and Words and Metropolis as their best, but find Awake very average. I also rate Black Clouds and Silver Linings highly but I remember at least at the time of its release that many seemed to run it down. 

It's been a long time since I went through the DT discography though and it's possible that my opinions on a lot of the albums may have changed. 

Awake is my favorite DT album, how tastes differ! The album was quite unique when it came out, despite wearing its influences on its sleeves. Just as influential as I & W. 

BC & SW - I bought it when it came out, 3CD deluxe, kinda disappointing for me, although an improvement on the previous album Systematic Chaos, my least favorite back then. Now the UnAstonishing has taken its place.


Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2020 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Going to throw Trivium in here too, especially Ascendancy. Not a band I really follow any more but I do still enjoy that album from time to time and remember how hated they were by self described 'serious metalheads' in my online community of that time that album was released. 

To this day I can't listen to Pull Harder on the Strings of Your Martyr and hear the lyrics properly due to a rather infamous misheard lyrics video made by a Trivium hater that did the rounds at the time. 

Trivium's pretty hit or miss for me. They've got some albums I really like, and some that just bore me. The Sin and the Sentence was really good, I recommend checking it out if you haven't heard what they sound like these days.


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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 1:18pm
Deicide - Insineratehymn (Just going off of the awful RYM rating it has, any seasoned death metal fans let me know if it's actually well liked! It's the only Deicide album that's stuck with me, it's got some great grooves.)


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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Deicide - Insineratehymn (Just going off of the awful RYM rating it has, any seasoned death metal fans let me know if it's actually well liked! It's the only Deicide album that's stuck with me, it's got some great grooves.)


No, it is not well liked!

Insineratehymn and In Torment In Hell are widely regarded as Deicide's weakest albums, and rightly so. Glen Benton made not secret of it that Roadrunner were being dicks, and that these were contractual obligation albums banged out as fast as he could.

I wrote a not-exactly-glowing review of it for the paper, which I must find and post here some time. Just mentioning such a thing upset some local church leaders because it was so blasphemous, and one of the photographers I worked with was a happy clappy Christian and had issues with it too. I remember reviewing this and Nile's Amongst the Catacombs of Nephren-Ka from my own collection, because all the record companies were sending me was fucking Spice Girls and Kylie Minogue! So those two piles of pop slop got full on death metal album reviews on the same page.Wink Some local metalheads thanked me later because it was the only time they had ever seen metal in the paper.


Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 4:21pm
^Good to know, no surprise with Roadrunner, I've heard more crap about them before (Though that's probably with most labels.) I got Deicide's debut, Insineratehymn, and Stench of Redemption all in a used bin a couple years ago, and thought it'd be a good way to check them out finally (Finding used albums from old school death metal bands isn't common around here). Thought the debut was okay, Stench of Redemption was just eh, and Insineratehymm just ended up being the one that I liked the best out of them. So I'd say for a obligational album, it worked out fine for me at least.

Like anyone would've needed a review of a mainstream pop album all over the radio anyway, the death metal's what would need some exposure. Plus I'd have a laugh at seeing such opposites on the same page.


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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 5:30pm
Found it!
It's surprising how your memory plays tricks. This one had an interview with Shihad, which I have posted here somewhere, and a review of Suburbia, which was basically 74 minutes of someone mowing a lawn.LOL While I was doing this I found I'd also reviewed the Miss Congeniality soundtrack, which was fucking dreadful!


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 5:46pm
I'm possibly the only person on the planet that thinks Brown Album is the best Primus album 

Slayer's South Of Heaven and Megadeth's So Far So Good So What are both severely underrated, but I guess you couldn't say others don't like them per se.  Same with Pantera's The Great Southern Trendkill

I like Entombed's "Death n Roll" material way more than their first 2 albums.  Same with Xysma.




Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 5:51pm
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:


Slayer's South Of Heaven and Megadeth's So Far So Good So What are both severely underrated, but I guess you couldn't say others don't like them per se.




These are my favourite albums by both these bands. They are also the first ones I got by both, so that might influence it somewhat.


Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

I'm possibly the only person on the planet that thinks Brown Album is the best Primus album

I think Brown Album is a very close second! It's got such a unique sound, that not even another Primus album has. 


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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 11:20am
Remembered another one, Razor's Custom Killing. My favorite Razor album and one of my favorite thrash albums, yet it's often considered their worst and many complaints towards the production. I love it, it has one of the best bass sounds in any thrash album, and M-Bro's drumming is fantastic.

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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 1:08pm
Don’t tell anyone but I like the Ripper Owens Priest albums.


Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 2:40pm
^ Jugulator is a great album though following album Demolition I didn't like as much. Still had a few good tracks though.

Megadeth's Super Collider doesn't get a lot of love but I think it's a great album. While it can't compete with their best it's nevertheless full of great songs.


Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by Bosh66 Bosh66 wrote:

Don’t tell anyone but I like the Ripper Owens Priest albums.


I do too, including the live album. He's a fucking good singer. He's just not Rob Halford.


Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 3:12pm
I really like Jugulator as well, don't remember anything about Demolition though.

Originally posted by Nightfly Nightfly wrote:

Megadeth's Super Collider doesn't get a lot of love but I think it's a great album. While it can't compete with their best it's nevertheless full of great songs.

I agree, Kingmaker and Dance in the Rain are among my favorites of their post-2000's songs, and there's some more good stuff on there. I just think it has too much filler.


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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 3:20pm
^ Yes great tracks. My favourite is Don't Turn Your Back...


Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 4:09am
Forgot about Helloween's two most hated albums - Pink Bubbles Go Ape and Chameleon. I understand why some dislike them, after all PBGA came after the Keepers albums and Chameleon is barely metal. There are a couple of filler songs on Chameleon, but I enjoy the album quite a bit. 


Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by LittleBig LittleBig wrote:

Forgot about Helloween's two most hated albums - Pink Bubbles Go Ape and Chameleon. I understand why some dislike them, after all PBGA came after the Keepers albums and Chameleon is barely metal. There are a couple of filler songs on Chameleon, but I enjoy the album quite a bit. 


With Pink Bubbles... they tried too hard to consciously NOT make Keeper of the Seven Keys Part 3. I remember reading the interviews, and they were just a bit sick of it all. And then Chameleon... They lost me for a good few years after that.



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