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Topic: Doctor Who
Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Subject: Doctor Who
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2017 at 3:03pm
Are there any fellow Whovian's here?

The next Doctor was revealed today and for the first time in the show's 50+ year history the Doctor is going to be female. Jodie Whittaker takes the role at Christmas.

Fan reaction, as expected, has been mixed to the news.

I'm tentively excited by this casting, as I thought The Master changing to female worked well during Peter Capaldi's tenure, and Doctor Who has always been a show revolving around change.



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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2017 at 5:08pm
I'm a big fan of the 4th Doctor (Tom Baker) episodes, but I haven't watched much of the others. I've watched a few episodes of the newer series, but I didn't get into it as much.

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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2017 at 5:33pm
I like Doctor Who back in the late 00's but I tuned in recently and thought it was extremely dull.


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2017 at 9:30pm
No but i like Horton Hears A Who :P



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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2017 at 10:01pm
Delete this man's account. Right now.


Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 1:48am
I haven't watched it regularly for year's - it's that Saturday teatime slot, alway's seem to be doing something else and never recorded it. I should really as I used to enjoy it.


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 1:48am
Originally posted by TheHeavyMetalCat TheHeavyMetalCat wrote:

The next Doctor was revealed today and for the first time in the show's 50+ year history the Doctor is going to be female. Jodie Whittaker takes the role at Christmas.

Fan reaction, as expected, has been mixed to the news.

Isn't it always though? People will always find something to complain about the casting choice. This time it's because it's a woman. Last time it was because Capaldi was much older than the New Who Doctor's had previously been. I didn't start watching until towards the end of Tennant's era so wasn't following the 11th Doctor reveal but I expect there was a portion of so called fans who said Matt Smith was too young. You can't please everyone.

One day if the show continues they'll cast someone, male or female, who isn't white and that'll be another reason for some to complain about it. 

And I bet that as usual half the people who say they won't watch because of the casting choice actually will watch and will later admit that it worked out fine. 


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 1:52am
Originally posted by aglasshouse aglasshouse wrote:

I like Doctor Who back in the late 00's but I tuned in recently and thought it was extremely dull.

Yeah a lot of people have said the writing in the recent series hasn't been as strong. I've enjoyed them since Moffat took over but the Russel T Davies series were better IMO. My favourite I think remains series 4. 

I've enjoyed Capaldi in the role though, I just don't think he had the best scripts to work with most of the time. 

A change in head writer may be just what this show needs. Fortunately that happens with the next regeneration. 


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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 1:36pm
I am a mild fan of the program.  Being on this side of the pond, I wasn't familiar with the show accept through references from others sources.  I have managed to watch a couple of the series during the David Tennant / Billie Piper years, but haven't really watched it lately.  Really a TV show producers dream to be able to replace a show's star with another actor and not have to skip a beat because it is part of the story line.  :) 

I'm not sure that I am overly thrilled with the idea of making Doctor Who a woman, but at least in the case of Doctor Who it is a continuous plot line and not unreasonable from story lines to have this occur.  Personally, I do tend to have a real problem with changes made to real historical people though such as Hamilton or fictional characters with a history such as Spider-man or Thor or Doctor Watson.  If the historical person was a white male or the character was written as a white male then that is who should be portraying the character.  Not a black male.  Not a woman.    There is outrage when white men are cast as blacks or Asians or American Indians and there should be a similar outrage when the reverse is true. 

I refused to watch Elementary with Doctor Watson portrayed by a woman.  I've heard the show is/was quite good but the premise just bothered me. 

On the other hand, I wasn't really happy when Battlestar Galactica returned with Starbuck as a woman...but probably because the original show was a just a distant memory at that point in time so it turned out fine with that change.


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 1:47pm
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

There is outrage when white men are cast as blacks or Asians or American Indians and there should be a similar outrage when the reverse is true. 

I was actually saying this to a friend of mine last week. Cast a black actor to play a character written as white = no problem (they've done this with the Stephen King Dark Tower film, though I personally don't have an issue with Idris Elba in the role). 

Do the reverse = racism. 

At least in the case of Doctor Who with the regeneration feature it's completely canon for a gender swap (and an actor race swap) to occur, though it's also been made clear that a gender swap is rare so I don't expect a female Doctor is going to be anywhere close to the norm for the future of the show. 

In the episode Hell Bent the Time Lord known as The General regenerates from a white male to a black female. The episode implies that the previously seen male incarnation was the odd one out. So the so called 14th Doctor (which will technically be the 16th incarnation) should, based on lore, be male again.  


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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 1:59pm
^Aren't there supposed to just be 13 regenerations of the Doctor? One of my friends told me that, but that was quite a while ago, so maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

I'm in agreement, I've always found it really hypocritical when there's backlash when a white person is cast in a role that was written as another race, but not when it's the reverse.


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

^Aren't there supposed to just be 13 regenerations of the Doctor? One of my friends told me that, but that was quite a while ago, so maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

Yes. He ran out with Matt Smith's 11th Doctor but they wrote it into the program in his last episode that he got another regeneration cycle, starting with Capaldi. They wouldn't have had to do that for a while but they kinda shot themselves in the foot by adding in John Hurt's War incarnation in between the 8th and 9th and having 10th regenerate but keep the same face during series 4, meaning Tennant counts as two as far as regeneration's go.


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Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 2:29pm
My Dad had a bunch of sci-fi TV VHS when I was growing up, including old Doctor Who. I used to watch them with him often. Some of the really old ones are very dated and badly acted by today's standards of course, but I still have an appreciation for them. It's sad that so many episodes are still lost. I've also watched the revived series since it returned in 2005.

I'm skeptical of the new Doctor but I always am until their first episode debuts, so its nothing to do with her gender. I think it will be strange for a while though because this won't be like The Master/Missy who only popped up every now and then.

Speaking of Missy, anyone else sure that last episode of series 10 isn't really the end of her (or perhaps him again, in the future)?


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 2:36pm
Originally posted by 666sharon666 666sharon666 wrote:

Speaking of Missy, anyone else sure that last episode of series 10 isn't really the end of her (or perhaps him again, in the future)?

Of course not. They kill The Master 'permanently' all the time (TV movie & Last of the Time Lords being two such instances) only for eventual resurrection in one form or another. They even established in this very series that Time Lord's can have relapses of life which was why the Doctor was supposed to guard her body for 1000 years after her execution that he was supposed to carry out. The character will be back with a new, presumably male, face, though maybe a Doctor or two down the line. 


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Posted By: Psydye
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 8:04pm
Love the show but have got some major catching up to do...I think I last saw season 8 of the new series? Yeeeaahh.


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 8:06pm
My problem is that i've watched many episodes of it but i can never seem to catch the fever like everyone else does. It's definately a cool series in all its forms. 

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 12:48am
As far as I'm concerned the show really needs to do the following things under the new lead writer:

  1. Escape the predictable format. The last three Doctor's have all done exactly three series and all regenerate in a Christmas special. Have Doctor's last longer or even shorter tenure's again like the old days and don't make them regenerate exactly the same time every cycle.
  2. Don't announce in advance when an actor (Doctor or companion) is leaving. Make it a surprise. Goes doubly for the Doctor: a regeneration would be much more dramatic if the audience didn't know it was coming or at least who was playing the next Doctor.
  3. Keep the 13th Doctor's main companion female, otherwise they're just going to be accused of completely reversing the traditional roles in the series. 
  4. Allow some older characters to return. Simm's Master was a bit of a missed chance IMO as I think he could have featured more integrally in the story. Many actors have gone on record as being open to returning and I'd be interested to see some characters again, such as Captain Jack Harkness, the Paternoster Gang, Martha & Micky, and perhaps even some past Doctor's. 


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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 1:07am
^It would be cool to see them bring Romana back, it was interesting having another time lord being the companion in some of the 4th Doctor serials.

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 7:40am
I think you mean Romana, she was the Time Lady who was with 4th, in two incarnations. It would be interesting to know if she's still alive in a new regeneration (same for Susan, his granddaughter) now that Gallifrey is back and the Time Lords are around again. Though that unknown woman in The End of Time could have been either one of them I guess, though it was reported at the time that she was supposed to be the Doctor's mother. 

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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 11:15am
^Yeah, that's what I meant. I got the names mixed up, I think Leela was the tribal companion.

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Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2017 at 7:33am
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Escape the predictable format. The last three Doctor's have all done exactly three series and all regenerate in a Christmas special. Have Doctor's last longer or even shorter tenure's again like the old days and don't make them regenerate exactly the same time every cycle.


Agreed with this. I actually thought Capaldi was going to be the one to buck the trend since I'm sure it was initially announced that he'd be staying on after Moffat left and would do at least 4 series. With that said I'd like Whittaker to last at least three (providing she'd good in the role) otherwise it's going to look like the BBC letting haters have their way.

Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Don't announce in advance when an actor (Doctor or companion) is leaving. Make it a surprise. Goes doubly for the Doctor: a regeneration would be much more dramatic if the audience didn't know it was coming or at least who was playing the next Doctor.


I don't mind so much with the companion characters but yeah, totally with you about The Doctor. Tennant really should have regenerated unexpectedly in The Stolen Earth.

Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Keep the 13th Doctor's main companion female, otherwise they're just going to be accused of completely reversing the traditional roles in the series.


I have a feeling it will be a male companion and the BBC will get exactly those accusations.

To be honest I wish Bill was staying on. I don't think they developed her character much in a single season, but I guess they want to do it like when Moffat took over and have a complete clean slate with the main cast.

Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Allow some older characters to return. Simm's Master was a bit of a missed chance IMO as I think he could have featured more integrally in the story. Many actors have gone on record as being open to returning and I'd be interested to see some characters again, such as Captain Jack Harkness, the Paternoster Gang, Martha & Micky, and perhaps even some past Doctor's.


Yeah I thought Simm's return could have been better. He seemed only there to fill in a little backstory regarding how he regenerated into Missy (which we didn't even get to see on screen), and to 'write off' the character, at least for a while.

As for returning characters, I'd like to see any of the past Doctor's return just to see how they react with their future female incarnation. I don't think it would be anything like The Master and Missy's meeting.


Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2017 at 7:55am
Saw the trailer for the Christmas special and it's called Twice Upon a Time and contrary to previous reports Bill will be in it.


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 1:08pm
Just watched the debut of Series 11. 

New Doctor came across as hyperactive. My impression is that she's like a female Tennant. Found her more immediately likable than Smith and Capaldi, who both needed several episodes to grow on me.

The lack of a intro and new titles and theme to go with them was a surprise and actually a disappointment. 

And spoiler for those who've not watched it yet:

























Where the hell is the TARDIS? Are they going to spend the whole season looking for it?


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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 1:12pm
I’m not sure whether I thought Jodie W was brilliant as The Doctor or comes across like a CBBC presenter. I’m sure she’ll grow on me.


Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 11:48am
I liked her. I was impressed with the episode overall. I'm looking forward to the next one.


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 9:45am
Glad they found the Tardis in yesterday's episode and didn't drag it out as a series arc. I was almost ready to subtitle this season as 'Dude, Where's My TARDIS?' after the first one. 

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 5:23pm
Thought the end of this week's episode was rushed but that's my only real complaint about this season so far. Last week's episode was excellent. 

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Posted By: MorniumGoatahl
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 6:10pm
Yeah apart from that I thought it was an alright episode. Though my kids are now convinced a giant spider is going to destroy the bathtub. 

Overall I think it's been a decent DW season. Not RTD era excellent but decent and every episode has been better than some of the later Smith and early Capaldi ones (also Jodie is the first Doctor since Tennant my kids have liked). I'm just hoping Internet moaning minnies don't get Jodie replaced or worse, the series canceled altogether. Every week certain quarters are launching online attacks against everything about the series they can think of, when it's really not at all different to previous seasons. To me the fact that people are complaining about it being PC - especially in regard to the racially diverse cast, shows that last week's Rosa episode was completely justified. 


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 6:25pm
I swear most of the complaints are by people who don't really understand the series. Such as last week complaining not about the message of the episode but the sheer fact they did a historical episode. It's a show about time travel. There always has been historical episodes. or complaining that Jodie isn't The Doctor - completely missing the point about regeneration being about change. And honestly she still reminds me of Tennant's portrayal a lot. 

Originally posted by MorniumGoatahl MorniumGoatahl wrote:

To me the fact that people are complaining about it being PC - especially in regard to the racially diverse cast, shows that last week's Rosa episode was completely justified. 

Pretty accurate I reckon. Guess these people will really explode if the Doctor ever regenerates as anything but white. Unless they manage to cast Idris Elba. Everyone seems pretty much okay with that as far as I can tell. 


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Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 12:57pm
I have mixed feelings, four episodes in to series 11. I like the new Doctor, but I don't think having three companions and giving the series more of an ensemble feel is really allowing her to shine. As for the companions, to my surprise it's Bradley Walsh who seems to be the best of the three. I kind of assumed that he'd end up being the third (well, fourth) wheel of the group. I don't dislike the other two, but I don't see that they've developed much character yet. Ryan was pretty ridiculous in episode 2, trying to run off and fight like that and thinking he could because he plays video games. It was a really, really cringe-worthy scene for me. I did like most of the opener except for making us wait so long to even see the Doctor and the Rosa Parks episode was a solid drama, but then again last week the spider episode was quite poor.

I don't think the last few seasons have been up to the standard seen from 1 through 6, well, 7 and a half actually. For me it actually turn a downturn when Amy and Rory went. The 50th was good though (but I'd have preferred Amy and Rory to have stuck around till then, since they're the companion's most associated with Smith) and I did think 9 was the standout of Capaldi's tenure, but then 10 had some downright weak episodes. 11 seems to be going the same way so far.


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 1:53am
I thought last week's episode was rather poor to be honest. 

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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 3:57am
I thought it was poor too. Bar set too low.


Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 4:54am
Won't be the first DW series to have a real dud in it. Even series 2 had the bloody awful Love & Monsters in it. Hopefully it's the only one in series 11 though. We're getting four episodes written by people other than Chibnall from tomorrow, so it'll be interesting if the quality picks up.

Overall I can't say the first half of series 11 has been significantly worse than series 10, which definitely wasn't as good as 9 (the best Capaldi series for me). I know a lot of people are going to say this is worse and blame the female Doctor, but Jodie can't help the writing she's given to work with. The early parts of last week seemed so out of character for any incarnation of the Doctor to me. But even Tennant couldn't have saved last week's episode and for all the complainers I don't think anyone can honestly say any past Doctor would have made the current series better. It's the writing that's the problem.

Episodes 1 & 3 were really good though.


Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 7:03am
Whitaker has shown a lot of promise as the Doctor - I've been impressed.




Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 10:09am
I agree that 9 was Capaldi's best series. Actually, the middle series of the last two Doctor's was my favourite. 6 was Smith's best as far as I'm concerned. For Tennant it's close between 3 and 4 though. Maybe 12 if it goes another will be Jodie's best series. 

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 1:40pm
A much better episode tonight, in my opinion. 

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 6:39am
Another good one last night. Those robots were actually bloody creepy and I'm never popping bubble wrap again. Wink

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 4:35pm
Some 'insider' has leaked that Jodie is leaving Doctor Who after the next series. This hasn't been confirmed by either her or the BBC yet, but it wouldn't be a shock. Three and out is basically the show's thing now. 

Doctor Who doesn't have the quality it once did, which is a writing issue, but I'll be disappointed for a number of reasons if this is correct (which I expect it is per the above). Mainly because I don't think we've seen the best Jodie can do yet and I don't think they can adequately resolve the Timeless Child reveal of the last season in a shorter 2021 season. Also because it is going to be an even shorter season than the already shorter seasons due to Covid. And I really hate the three and out trend. Is it really too much to ask to bring a bit of unpredictability into the program?


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 5:54am
It's just been announced that the next showrunner of Doctor Who is... Russell T Davis. 

Hopefully that's a sign that the BBC knows the writing under Chris Chibnall hasn't been up to snuff. 


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 08 May 2022 at 6:10am
Doctor Who has just cast its new lead: Ncuti Gatwa.

Best known for Sex Education on Netflix.

Which would explain why I've never heard of him. LOL

He is the first black lead of the show, albeit not the first black Doctor.

The cynical part of me sees this casting as just trying to appease the woke crowd, but I'm withholding judgement until we get to see his performance. Ultimately it is not the actor that will save this show, but the showrunner. I'm hopeful because its Russell T David again. Chibnall really did Jodie Whitaker's era dirty. The last two specials were kinda crap. 


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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 08 May 2022 at 6:26am
I agree it’s the writing that’s key. Don’t know the new doctor. I’m sure he’ll be fine.


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 08 May 2022 at 6:52am
If the writing lets him be great, he'll be great. Jodie shined the few times the writing was up to snuff. 

Just hoping she gets one last hurrah before bowing out. 


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2022 at 3:56pm
Dare I say it...Jodie's final episode: her best? Definitely Yaz's best episode. 

Been enough rumours floating around about it that the regeneration wasn't a surprise. Won't say much for those who did not watch The Power of the Doctor yet, but I'm already formulating theories. 


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