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Topic: Server upgrade in progress, please report issue
Posted By: m@x
Subject: Server upgrade in progress, please report issue
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 7:19am
Server upgrade in progress, please report issues here.

Geek



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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 7:21am
Hi Max, I spent the morning adding bands (12 artists) - they seem to have disappeared? Ermm


Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 8:27am
Damn.

I can't restore them ;-(

The backup restored was from yesterday


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 8:33am

yieks I see I´ve lost one too. Luckily is was a 1 album band, so it won´t take too long adding it Again.



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Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 8:34am
Can I help adding them back Bosh66 ?


Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 8:40am
Not really Max, I'll sort it. It's fine.

On a related note, is there any way to restrict the main site when you're doing maintenance or upgrades? The main site was working correctly when i started at 8 this morning?



Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 9:11am
This is strange. I'm starting to re-add the bands and every entry I make is bringing up a suggestion making me think the information is there in the background?


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 9:19am
I re-entered my deleted profile, and didn´t have any issues.

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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 9:30am
I have no issues - it lets me do it. If I enter a band name, twitter address, etc it brings the same up below what I've entered, highlighted in yellow. So somewhere at least some of the fields on the front page have been captured as the site knows the details I'm reentering.

Anyhow, starting again. 


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 9:35am
This is normal behaviour in a web browser Chris. You may have seen this before when you enter in the year on a release entry for example (at least that's where I see it the most). 

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 11:53am
Max one thing I have noticed since the upgrade is that the forum is not sending me any email alerts for anything (such a thread replies, PM's etc). 

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2016 at 1:46pm
This page does not work after this update:  http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/new-releases.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/new-releases.aspx

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Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 4:44am
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Max one thing I have noticed since the upgrade is that the forum is not sending me any email alerts for anything (such a thread replies, PM's etc). 

ok !! on it , tx


Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 5:44am
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Max one thing I have noticed since the upgrade is that the forum is not sending me any email alerts for anything (such a thread replies, PM's etc). 

FIXED


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 6:26am
Thumbs Up

This one still needs fixing though:

Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

This page does not work after this update:  http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/new-releases.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/new-releases.aspx

This is what I see:

Server Error in '/' Application.

The resource cannot be found.

Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.  Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly. 

Requested URL: /new-releases.aspx


Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:4.0.30319; ASP.NET Version:4.6.1069.1


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Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 9:23am
FIXED ;-)


Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 10:10am
Did the server upgrade fix the Youtube videos?

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Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 11:00am
No -- but I will take care of it in the next days.


Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 11:21am
This isn't to do with the server upgrade but like with the YouTube problem I've reported a couple of bugs in the forum a while back which still need attention:

There used to be a link to see more of the recent review submissions. There is still one just for new reviews but the one for all reviews disappeared.

I also found that we can't create any charts for child sub-genres (like US power metal or anything under Metal Related Genres) on the site as they don't appear in the options that we can use.


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 11:39am
^ There are threads for this waiting for Max's attention in the admin zone, along with a number of other issues and feature suggestions.

Max, bugs aside, one thing we have been discussing in depth ever since the last wave of new sub-genres were added is how the site may develop even further. Speed and groove metal are both growing well, but having discussed it (and getting collab input) the admin team is in agreement that we should expand further in order to accurately cover all the different sounds of metal. 

This information is in the AZ also, but these are the expansions we've agreed that we'd like to see added.

Main sub-genres:

Stoner Metal
Drone Metal

Both of which are currently inclusive with doom metal, which isn't completely accurate. The situation is similar to how speed and groove were given their own sub-genres instead of being in with thrash metal. These two are the priority expansions.

These next ones are child sub-genres. I'm not sure if you ever considered expanding the site in this way before but we've spent almost a year gathering feedback from the collabs and there is support to go into more detail for certain sub-genres rather than simply tagging artists as black metal or death metal for example, both of which are very diverse genres. Obviously to get these right it's going to be a lot of work, but my view is its better to start such a job early (which is why for black metal I've been marking the specific BM style for every artist added or updated for some time now). 

Alternative Metal
↳ Funk Metal
↳ Nu Metal

Black Metal
↳ Atmospheric Black Metal
↳ Depressive Black Metal
↳ Melodic Black Metal
↳ Symphonic Black Metal

Death Metal
↳ Death 'n' Roll
↳ Melodic Death Metal
↳ Technical Death Metal

Doom Metal
↳ Funeral Doom Metal

Thrash Metal
↳ Crossover Thrash


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Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 1:21pm
^ on it. 


Good job guys Thumbs Up


Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 2:34pm
New subgenres added ;-)


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 2:35pm
Max there was also main sub-genres for:

Drone Metal
Stoner Metal


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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 2:51pm
Cheers Max. Appreciate your help with this!


Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 5:33pm
Thumbs Up


Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 5:57pm
Nice work! Thumbs Up

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 7:52pm
Originally posted by m@x m@x wrote:

FIXED ;-)

Can there be a similar "see more metal music reviews" for the older releases as well?

That would be great as we sometimes get a flood of reviews here and they get buried quickly.

Thanks for the upgrades! Much appreciated Wink


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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 8:13pm
Depressive black metal link seems to go to atmospheric :(

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Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 8:14pm
^ on it.

Will check the links to more reviews later, thanks


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 1:14am
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Depressive black metal link seems to go to atmospheric :(

hmm strange, it definitely went to the correct page last night when I started moving stuff. 


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Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 3:52am
Wow, big changes here since my last visit. Clap

But what about Neoclassical Metal being added?

Also surely Doom Metal is more diverse than just Funeral Doom as a sub-genre? What about Death-Doom? It's a more more common doom sub-genre than Funeral. 


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 4:10am
No one has ever really been able to agree on how necessary neoclassical is, which is why isn't wasn't requested in this round of new subs. 

Don't recall why death-doom didn't make the cut, might have had something to do with being seen as a hybrid genre though. 


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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 4:13am
It's a work in progress Ashley. There are a good number of additional subs we could add, some of which we will in time. We have to strike the balance between what we want and what we can handle with the volunteers we have. We also need to balance what are clearly identifiable subs with ones that are more ambiguous (of which there are plenty). Neo-classical possibly falls into this later camp, comfortably sitting in a number of existing subs depending on where the emphasis is.

In the meantime we need to not only continue to add bands and releases to the existing and new categories, but also go through all of the existing subs and identify which bands / releases need moving to the new subs. And we need all hands on deck at the moment to do it (unsubtle hint to all collaborators Wink).



Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 4:16am
She may have a point about death-doom though. There's worlds of difference between those bands and the Candlemasses of this world. And RYM has 85 pages of death-doom releases compared to just 36 for funeral doom. 

Those here on the doom team can you weigh in on this? 


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Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:14am
I suppose you can call death-doom a hybrid, but its a very distinct hybrid. I just think it should be added so there is some way to segregate those bands from the more traditional doom metal types. After all a pretty big differences between the two is that traditional doom usually uses clean vocals. Death-doom uses growls. It's doom's extreme side if you will.

Anyway I am willing to do my bit sorting stuff into its new homes. Just point me to where your short of hands and I'll try to get a bit done every time I'm on here.


Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:25am
What would be a huge huge help is to start (wherever you like) on a letter of alternative metal (i.e. start with the "a"s, "z"s or somewhere inbetween) and trawl through looking for bands that may be funk or nu metal. You might need to use RYM to determine whether some or all releases need to be moved to the new sub category.

We don't expect you to do the whole sub but anything you can do will be a huge help.

Alternatively you could do the same for doom or death?



Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:38am
I can have a look at alt metal, though I will have to rely on what RYM says a lot of the time. I often get confused on just what makes a band Nu opposed to plain old alternative. Fortunately I can generate an RYM chart with just nu and funk on them. Nit an ABC list sadly, but I can quickly move the most known stuff this way.

https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&include_child_genres=1&genres=nu+metal&include_child_genres_chk=1&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&include_child_genres=1&genres=funk+metal&include_child_genres_chk=1&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

I'll start sorting through a few after dinner.

May look at tech death also though as I actually know more of those.



Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:40am
I take it the child sub-genre will override the parent one in alternative? Say is RYM has both tags we'd but it is Nu (or funk) here?


Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:40am
Excellent, and feel free to focus on whatever sub you want too Ashley. There's plenty of work to go around Wink





Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:41am
Originally posted by TheHeavyMetalCat TheHeavyMetalCat wrote:

I can have a look at alt metal, though I will have to rely on what RYM says a lot of the time. I often get confused on just what makes a band Nu opposed to plain old alternative. Fortunately I can generate an RYM chart with just nu and funk on them. Nit an ABC list sadly, but I can quickly move the most known stuff this way.

https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&include_child_genres=1&genres=nu+metal&include_child_genres_chk=1&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&include_child_genres=1&genres=funk+metal&include_child_genres_chk=1&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

I'll start sorting through a few after dinner.

May look at tech death also though as I actually know more of those.


Just beware that sometimes RYM can't tell the difference between nu and alt. I've purposely kept Mudvayne's albums after L.D. 50 in alt. Smile


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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:42am
Originally posted by TheHeavyMetalCat TheHeavyMetalCat wrote:

I take it the child sub-genre will override the parent one in alternative? Say is RYM has both tags we'd but it is Nu (or funk) here?

It depends. if the vote is 20 for alt and 2 for funk, it would suggest an alt metal release with some funk influence. That would go under alt. If the vote is about the same, then yes it would make sense for the child sub to override the parent. 


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:48am
Yeah always check the votes against as well as the votes for. And also how many of them there are. You will come across albums on RYM that people tagged the same for years then suddenly someone decided to suggest differently. This sort of thing doesn't show up if you don't get into the actual voting page, and the previous voters often don't see the change for a long time to vote against it (most RYM votes happen when the release is new). 

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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:51am
And finally ... 

Don't be over-concerned about making the wrong call. We need the database to be as accurate as possible, but mistakes will happen during an exercise such as this. We can't listen to every album / artist unfortunately. I'd like to, but no-one will pay me to do so, so I have to go to work instead.


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:52am
I would recommend checking out metal archives and Wikipedia as well. RYM doesn't always get it right. I'm down with the death doom myself. It is a perfectly valid distinct sub

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Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:02am
I've started work on funk metal but someone seems to be a step ahead of me, almost every artist I check has already been done.

Finding a quite few funk metal releases in avant-garde for some reason by the way.


Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:05am
If it looks Iike a funk as opposed to an AG release (with funk influences) then move them. I've already moved a
Mr Bungle album.


Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:13am
Have done (I'll report in bulk when I stop). There were no Ag tags on RYM so it looked pretty safe to move the ones I did.

Seeing many bands in this RYM chart who are not here as well.


Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:14am
By the way how do you move a whole discography in bulk? I'm having to move some profiles releases by release.


Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:18am
Go into edit artist (not release) and there's a drop down at the bottom. Sometimes it's easier changing everything at once this way and moving the odd release back than changing by individual release


Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:20am
Make a note of missing funk metal artists and bulk post the names in a suggest bands post at the end, Ashley.


Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:24am
On artist page I see the following options:

My profile
Add to favourite artists
Add video
Add album
Post shout

No edit option in sight.


Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:28am
I wonder if regular collaborators can't edit artists? I don't think I could when I was Metal Reviewer.

If you post all the bands to be moved in bulk in the alt team thread, I can then move them.


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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:31am
It's possible. Alternatively we could always upgrade you?


Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:33am
So long as my current arrangment still stands, that will be helpful. I'm done with RYM's funk chart now though.

Those funk metal bands sure have some, well, funky names.


Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:35am
Okay, I'm just on my phone currently on a train. I'll get it sorted as soon as I can.


Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:37am
Not in any hurry, I'll be looking at nu-metal another time.


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 11:43am
You've been upgraded now, Ashley. 

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Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 12:07pm
Loving all the genre expansions.

I agree on death-doom being added as well by the way.

Was it intentional though that the Metal Related Genres sub and children now be placed part way through the metal sub-genres? I think it looked much better at the end of them.


Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 5:25am
^ subgenres list , now correctly ordered ;-)


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 5:28am
Nice one Max, thanks.

I think Chris may have some suggestions for some subs but for now could you please also add Death-Doom Metal under Doom Metal? 


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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 6:40am
For me Max, I'd like Atmospheric Sludge Metal under sludge and Mathcore under Metalcore please Big smile


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 6:46am
Neoclassical Metal as a new parent sub as well. I think this will be a small sub but better that than artists misplaced and being moved around like they're playing a game of musical chairs. 

So in all:

Neoclassical Metal

Doom Metal with Death-Doom Metal child sub

Sludge Metal with Atmospheric Sludge Metal child sub

Metalcore with Mathcore child sub

Along with the additions, I'd also like to request a small change from last year's wave of new subs: Can US Power Metal be detached from the main Power Metal sub-genre and become its own main sub-genre please? The current setup makes it look like we're calling USPM a sub-genre of other power metal, which isn't actually true. You do get some USPM bands that are quite close to Euro techniques like Iced Earth, but mostly USPM is its own thing with its own way of doing things. Ideally these two things wouldn't share a name but we can hardly change history. Two parent genres makes more sense having worked on this sub for the past year. 


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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 6:49am
And also the "See More Metal Reviews" link used to be for both new and old releases together. Can we get a link for the older releases as well or at least put them together again? We get more older release reviews and many reviewers who pile them up as to make them disappear quickly. Thanks :)

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Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2016 at 7:05am
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Neoclassical Metal as a new parent sub as well. I think this will be a small sub but better that than artists misplaced and being moved around like they're playing a game of musical chairs. 

So in all:

Neoclassical Metal

Doom Metal with Death-Doom Metal child sub

Sludge Metal with Atmospheric Sludge Metal child sub

Metalcore with Mathcore child sub

Along with the additions, I'd also like to request a small change from last year's wave of new subs: Can US Power Metal be detached from the main Power Metal sub-genre and become its own main sub-genre please? The current setup makes it look like we're calling USPM a sub-genre of other power metal, which isn't actually true. You do get some USPM bands that are quite close to Euro techniques like Iced Earth, but mostly USPM is its own thing with its own way of doing things. Ideally these two things wouldn't share a name but we can hardly change history. Two parent genres makes more sense having worked on this sub for the past year. 

On it. Smile


Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2016 at 7:31am
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Neoclassical Metal as a new parent sub as well. I think this will be a small sub but better that than artists misplaced and being moved around like they're playing a game of musical chairs. 

So in all:

Neoclassical Metal

Doom Metal with Death-Doom Metal child sub

Sludge Metal with Atmospheric Sludge Metal child sub

Metalcore with Mathcore child sub

Along with the additions, I'd also like to request a small change from last year's wave of new subs: Can US Power Metal be detached from the main Power Metal sub-genre and become its own main sub-genre please? The current setup makes it look like we're calling USPM a sub-genre of other power metal, which isn't actually true. You do get some USPM bands that are quite close to Euro techniques like Iced Earth, but mostly USPM is its own thing with its own way of doing things. Ideally these two things wouldn't share a name but we can hardly change history. Two parent genres makes more sense having worked on this sub for the past year. 


All done, please confirm it's good.




Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2016 at 7:32am
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

And also the "See More Metal Reviews" link used to be for both new and old releases together. Can we get a link for the older releases as well or at least put them together again? We get more older release reviews and many reviewers who pile them up as to make them disappear quickly. Thanks :)

Will bring back YouTube, first.

In the mean time, I will change the number of reviews in the homepage to 5 new, 10 older reviews


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2016 at 7:35am
Originally posted by m@x m@x wrote:

Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Neoclassical Metal as a new parent sub as well. I think this will be a small sub but better that than artists misplaced and being moved around like they're playing a game of musical chairs. 

So in all:

Neoclassical Metal

Doom Metal with Death-Doom Metal child sub

Sludge Metal with Atmospheric Sludge Metal child sub

Metalcore with Mathcore child sub

Along with the additions, I'd also like to request a small change from last year's wave of new subs: Can US Power Metal be detached from the main Power Metal sub-genre and become its own main sub-genre please? The current setup makes it look like we're calling USPM a sub-genre of other power metal, which isn't actually true. You do get some USPM bands that are quite close to Euro techniques like Iced Earth, but mostly USPM is its own thing with its own way of doing things. Ideally these two things wouldn't share a name but we can hardly change history. Two parent genres makes more sense having worked on this sub for the past year. 


All done, please confirm it's good.



Perfect! Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2016 at 8:16am
Cheers Max!


Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2016 at 8:30am
Looks brilliant.


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2016 at 8:42am
Great with the 10 "old release" reviews now appearing on the FrontPage. Clap

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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2016 at 10:36am
Nice to see more old release reviews on the frontpage, really helps them stay visible for longer if someone posts a bunch of reviews in a short time. Clap

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2016 at 12:54pm
Agreed, even when the see more reviews link returns I'd like to see the ten stay on the front page. 

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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2016 at 3:38pm
Yes great to have more review's showing on the front page. Thumbs Up


Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2016 at 4:10pm
Glad to see that neoclassical and death-doom are now here.

So now I have to ask about one last gap that's bothering me:

Brutal Death Metal


Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2016 at 6:20pm
Is this a request to me ? or a open discussion "starter" ? ;-)


Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2016 at 1:41pm
I personally think it should be here. But it's not my decision to make. I do wonder why it keeps being left out though.


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2016 at 10:27pm
Originally posted by m@x m@x wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

And also the "See More Metal Reviews" link used to be for both new and old releases together. Can we get a link for the older releases as well or at least put them together again? We get more older release reviews and many reviewers who pile them up as to make them disappear quickly. Thanks :)

Will bring back YouTube, first.

In the mean time, I will change the number of reviews in the homepage to 5 new, 10 older reviews

Merci, Monsieur! I agree with HeavyMetalCat. Brutal Death Metal should be here as well to distinguish it from old school death metal and tech. There is some death metal that is just ridiculously heavy. 


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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2016 at 10:31pm
Oh, also there is such a thing as symphonic death metal as well. I think that's a more than valid inclusion as well. Examples, Fleshgod Apocalypse, Septicflesh etc. In fact, not to make things super complex but why can't we just be able to mix and match tags. For example: symphonic death, progressive black, avant-garde gothic etc. Seems like a more realistic and flexible way to pigeon-hole specifics. No idea if that's realistic but worth a shout. BTW, thanks for all the upgrades! As a fan of this site, i'm so happy!!!!

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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2016 at 11:42pm
Mixing and matching tagging may require a pretty extensive reworking of the site I guess and throws up its own challenges around grouping similar styled bands and accuracy. We may well end up with additional subs at some point but each one does slow down and complicate adding bands to the site. Don't underestimate how much work we still have outstanding to add tens of thousands of missing bands and also to clean up and properly site the artists we do have. Just sorting what we do have at the rate we're going is going to take a long time without spending hours isolating what is symphonic death or whatever other (valid) category we add.


Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2016 at 11:52pm
Just my input, let's not become RYM when it comes to amount of genres. LOL 

I'm overwhelmed with the way it is now. While I understand it's good to be as accurate as possible, I think it's fine to just have more minor derivatives mentioned as inclusive in its respective genre. 


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2016 at 12:13am
Symphonic death metal is a relatively recent development, otherwise I may have suggested including it myself. I'm kinda waiting to see if it becomes a well documented term (in the sense of being a distinct genre) like symphonic black metal before suggesting we add it - since that's pretty much the only reason we decided to include symphonic black when technically you could include many symphonic sub-genre variants like symphonic power metal or symphonic gothic metal, which were never on the table. 

For what it's worth I do also agree on brutal death being here but it's not my sole decision to make. 


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Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2016 at 5:51am
I think we could live without symphonic death metal here. Brutal death metal I'd say is essential.

I already sent this to Chris, but I'll post my pitch for it here as well:

There's evidence that its one of death metal's bigger sub-genres. Just look at RYM's charts for each of them: brutal death has a 48 page chart. Technical death metal has 25. Death n roll has just 5. Only melodic death has a longer chart (85), and those don't count unratred and rarely rated releases. It seems strange that brutal death doesn't get a sub-genre here, but death n roll does.

Of course, quite a bit of brutal death metal can also be tagged as tech death. But there are bands out there who are considered to be just brutal death metal (for most of their albums anyway) who I think deserve to be placed correctly here, such as Suffocation, Hour of Penance, Benighted, Dying Fetus, Aborted and I'm sure many more - those were just the big names from the top of RYM's chart.


Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2016 at 9:13am
I also agree on brutal death metal being added here, for what its worth.


Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 9:49am
So ? I add it ? Wink


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 11:56am
Originally posted by m@x m@x wrote:

So ? I add it ? Wink

Yes, please. I think this will be the last sub-genre we need though. 


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Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2016 at 4:25am
Ok I do it now.


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2016 at 4:34am
Cheers Max, while you're here could you take a look at the Admin threads requiring M@X involvement forum in the AZ please, there's a couple of new issues that have been noticed. 

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Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2016 at 4:35am
http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/subgenre/brutal-death-metal" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/subgenre/brutal-death-metal


Done ;-)


Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2016 at 6:37am
Excellent, thank you!


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2016 at 8:43am
Originally posted by Bosh66 Bosh66 wrote:

Mixing and matching tagging may require a pretty extensive reworking of the site I guess and throws up its own challenges around grouping similar styled bands and accuracy. We may well end up with additional subs at some point but each one does slow down and complicate adding bands to the site. Don't underestimate how much work we still have outstanding to add tens of thousands of missing bands and also to clean up and properly site the artists we do have. Just sorting what we do have at the rate we're going is going to take a long time without spending hours isolating what is symphonic death or whatever other (valid) category we add.



Work? Then screw all subs. Just calling it metal is good enough :)
Just a thought for the utopian future site

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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2016 at 9:24am
Heavy metal works for me. It's all just maximum rhythm and blues anyway Big smile



Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2016 at 1:32pm
I'm going to post this here so its got a chance of being seen this time:

I would like to propose that Traditional Heavy Metal be renamed to just Heavy Metal.

My reasoning is that having the 'traditional' in the name makes it sound like the sub-genre can only be used for genuine traditional metal bands and not modern heavy metal bands, which are essentially an evolved form of the same thing (AKA metal bands who don't fit into any other sub-genre), something which is true of most if not all metal genres.

To compare, think about how people go on about old school death or thrash metal. Yet no one bats a eye calling modern sounding death and thrash bands death and thrash still. Likewise modern heavy metal (some artists get called melodic metal) is still heavy metal.

Therefore I firmly believe the sub-genre should be renamed to reflect this.


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2016 at 6:16pm
^ i'm not against that. i don't like the "trad" tag but i actually prefer "classic 80s metal sound" or something. just "heavy metal" does sound "classic" though. good suggestion

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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2016 at 8:55pm
Yeah, I've always just called it classic metal. It would look better and make more sense if the "trad" was dropped.

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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2016 at 11:40pm
Heavy Metal would make sense to me. Agreed.


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2016 at 11:55pm
+1

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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2016 at 12:33am
Thumbs Up

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Posted By: TheHeavyMetalCat
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2016 at 1:37pm
I agree too.



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