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Topic: Reviewers Block
Posted By: Unitron
Subject: Reviewers Block
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 6:23pm
Have any of you wanted to write reviews, but just had writers block? I've been feeling like this recently. Dead

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 6:38pm
I found I've had to stop reviewing music because I only ever have the motivation to review things I really like, and it makes me look kind of unprofessional LOL

actually I don't have much motivation to write anything lately, probably university's fault


Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 7:14pm
Yes, that happens. I'm not a prolific reviewer, I write approximately one review a month. That's mostly because I'm not a native speaker so upon finishing a review I feel completely burnt-out, my head and eyes hurt from all those grammar checks and all. I've actually started reviewing music to practice my English and it's still my main motivation. Also, if you see a mistake in my review, feel free to let me know :) 
I usually want my reviews to be interesting/entertaining regardless of my attitude towards the album, but well it doesn't always work out. I'm just trying to make up for the lack of professionalism Cool 

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

I found I've had to stop reviewing music because I only ever have the motivation to review things I really like, and it makes me look kind of unprofessional LOL

actually I don't have much motivation to write anything lately, probably university's fault

I gave up on the idea of professional reviewing entirely. I'm just trying to have fun and write something good. We don't remember these times, but music used to be about ideals, emotions and art, not about ratings, false objectivism, TOP100 lists and whatnot.

I'm personally glad to see people like you Colin, giving mostly very high ratings to stuff they like because what may appear as unprofessional to some, is actually, at least to me, a refusal to approach something you hold dear with cold, soulless calculation. Hope it makes sense ;d



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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 7:30pm
Originally posted by bartosso bartosso wrote:


Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

I found I've had to stop reviewing music because I only ever have the motivation to review things I really like, and it makes me look kind of unprofessional LOL

actually I don't have much motivation to write anything lately, probably university's fault

I gave up on the idea of professional reviewing entirely. I'm just trying to have fun and write something good. We don't remember these times, but music used to be about ideals, emotions and art, not about ratings, false objectivism, TOP100 lists and whatnot.

I'm happy to see people like you Colin, giving mostly very high ratings to stuff they like because what may appear as unprofessional to some, is actually, at least to me, a refusal of rating something you hold dear with cold, soulless numbers. Hope it's not too much of an overinterpretation ;d


I completely agree, I give things a lot of high ratings and only write reviews because I enjoy it. If I didn't enjoy writing reviews, I wouldn't write them. I've always loved writing, besides reviews, I also write comics and a humor short story series. Maybe I should share a few of them on here sometime. Tongue


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Posted By: DippoMagoo
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 8:56pm
Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Have any of you wanted to write reviews, but just had writers block? I've been feeling like this recently. Dead

Yeah, that happens to me every once in a while. It can be especially frustrating for me sometimes, because I get around 3-5 new promos per month (my choice: I could technically take more than that if I really wanted to, but I don't like to get myself overloaded,) so obviously I like to review every album I take on, but sometimes I'll be trying to write a review and nothing will come out. I find I always struggle to get the first couple paragraphs done, but once I get going, the rest is usually a breeze to get through, and that's when I start having fun.


Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 9:11pm
Originally posted by DippoMagoo DippoMagoo wrote:

Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Have any of you wanted to write reviews, but just had writers block? I've been feeling like this recently. Dead

Yeah, that happens to me every once in a while. It can be especially frustrating for me sometimes, because I get around 3-5 new promos per month (my choice: I could technically take more than that if I really wanted to, but I don't like to get myself overloaded,) so obviously I like to review every album I take on, but sometimes I'll be trying to write a review and nothing will come out. I find I always struggle to get the first couple paragraphs done, but once I get going, the rest is usually a breeze to get through, and that's when I start having fun.

Same here, it always seems to be that first paragraph that's the hardest for me.


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2015 at 2:07am
I've gone quite long times between reviews sometimes due to feeling burnt out on them. I'm trying to pace myself more this year (I haven't reviewed or even listened to half as much stuff as I normally have by April). This is easier said than done, as I get a lot of promos from a lot of different sources. 

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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2015 at 3:05am
Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Originally posted by DippoMagoo DippoMagoo wrote:

Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Have any of you wanted to write reviews, but just had writers block? I've been feeling like this recently. Dead

Yeah, that happens to me every once in a while. It can be especially frustrating for me sometimes, because I get around 3-5 new promos per month (my choice: I could technically take more than that if I really wanted to, but I don't like to get myself overloaded,) so obviously I like to review every album I take on, but sometimes I'll be trying to write a review and nothing will come out. I find I always struggle to get the first couple paragraphs done, but once I get going, the rest is usually a breeze to get through, and that's when I start having fun.

Same here, it always seems to be that first paragraph that's the hardest for me.
 
That´s why I use a formula that basically says:
 
1. Introduction: Trivia about the album, maybe it´s place in the artist´s disco and other anekdotes about the album and the artist.
 
2. Description of the music
 
3. Musicianship, sound production
 
4. Conclusion
 
It´s a simple formula, but since I started using it, I´ve never had trouble with writer´s block. There´s always something to say, even about the most generic sounding releases out there. Sometimes my reviews are very short, because I don´t think there´s much to say about a release, and sometimes releases are more interesting, or I know more about the artist and their recording history, which typically results in my reviews being longer and more in depth.
 
I know some people prefer to read more personal subjective reviews, and that´s just fine, but I write the types of reviews featuring the elements I want to hear about if I read reviews. Which is also why I very seldom do track by track reviews. Those usually bore the shit out of me, and I´d much rather read reviews which are less in depth and give me more of an overall understanding of what the album is about. Hence why my own reviews typically provides the reader with an overall description of the album, rather than an in depth description of every musical detail. It´s a very conscious writing decision.


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Posted By: DippoMagoo
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2015 at 3:24am
I use a similar formula, except mine has five parts to it: I tend to go intro, music description (comments on musianship and production usually end up here as well,) vocals (almost always do a full paragraph on them, unless it's a really famous singer, in which case it would be redundant) songwriting, and then end with a quick summary/recommendation. Everything from that second step onward is usually easy to do, but I find if I'm writing about a band that's either making their debut or that I haven't heard much of before, the intro section can be tough, because I struggle to find anything interesting to say about the band themselves, but I don't just want to say "this is x album by x band" and call it a day, so that's when I tend to overthink it, and either get myself totally stuck, or come up with some weird and awkward opening, just so I can move on to the fun stuff.


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2015 at 3:37am
One other thing I usually do is to pretend that the reader don´t know the artist (which is a bit hard when reviewing artists like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and Metallica). That usually gives you a bit more to write about. It may feel redundant to those who know the artist, but to those who don´t it can be valuable information.

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2015 at 4:35pm
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

1. Introduction: Trivia about the album, maybe it´s place in the artist´s disco and other anekdotes about the album and the artist.

Same. Subconsciously stole this method from you. 

I try to vary my intro when I can, but often that's something I find is easier said than done. 


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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2015 at 2:00am
Yeah intros are hard, hence the formula to get started instead of staying stuck in the first paragraph, when you´re itching to write somthing about the actual music.

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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 3:03pm
I used to be a newspaper reporter, and you can't afford to get writers' block or deadlines start whistling past at a great velocity. A news story is quite different to a review, in that it's factual rather than opinion in content, but the method can be quite similar.

My editor hated my method of writing, but it worked for me: fuck the introduction, do it last! Especially in news stories, it paid to get down the guts of the info you already had, like quotes, statistics and the like. Beef out your paragraphs, fix your grammar, then write the intro and tie everything together. 

My editor was of the opinion you write your intro first and then hang everything else off it, but I always used to find myself going back and altering the intro to suit the rest of the story, but then neither of us had actually been to journo school, so who knows who was right?Smile

As for review block, it is similar to what I'd get writing features or profiles once the morning's deadlines had been met. Stick down a few key words or descriptive phrases, and if the magic isn't coming, go and write something else. I used to use reviews and opinion pieces as my "something else", but even posting on message boards or doing e-mails can help. I used to find the main problem would tick away in the back of my mind, then something would pop into my head and I'd find a solution to the block. 

I also found if I was bored with writing something, the reader is probably going to be bored reading it too, so if you're getting sick of something, shelve it and then look at it again later with a clearer head. It could be you have written yourself into a corner.

Hope this helps.


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 02 May 2020 at 8:43am
I found this old thread, where a couple of us talk about how we write reviews, and I revived it because It would be interesting to hear from some of the reviewers who have joined us since 2015...tricks, formulas, ideas for writing...etc.
 
 


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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 02 May 2020 at 11:56am
The way I approach writing has changed over the years, and especially regarding music. I found that my writing has a much more natural flow when I started writing about music as if I was just having a conversation and describing my love of something and how it sounds. It allows me to have more fun and let loose and not worry about leaving anything out. 

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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 02 May 2020 at 12:21pm
The same thing still stands for me. If you get stuck, write something else. I can think of probably half a dozen albums I could be reviewing at any one time. These days it's more about finding the opportunity to do it.


Posted By: BitterJalapeno
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 10:49am
I'm very new here but for the small amount of reviews I have submitted, I feel I am using a mixture of all the approaches described above. I agree that a natural conversational tone makes a review easier to write/read as it is just like discussing a beloved album with a good friend over a pint. I can definitely appreciate the lack of motivation to review an album one dislikes as I haven't even considered doing that thus far. I guess I should do some negative reviews also as that would only be fair to the cause...


Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 12:24pm
Negative reviews can become a bad habit though. Sometimes I have to stand back a bit and look at something I can review in a positive light because I've just ripped several different things to shreds. Sometimes you have to turn away from the darkness...Evil Smile


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 2:13pm
rather than reviewers block, nowadays I occasionally experience "reviewers unblock" where I actually atypically feel like writing reviews LOL


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 2:21pm
Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

Negative reviews can become a bad habit though. Sometimes I have to stand back a bit and look at something I can review in a positive light because I've just ripped several different things to shreds. Sometimes you have to turn away from the darkness...Evil Smile
 
I don´t enjoy writing regative reviews, and I don´t consciously seek out bad quality albums, but sometimes I stumble upon them, or sometimes when going through an artist discography (which I often do from front to end), there is a turd or two in there, and for the sake of completeness I´ll write a review although I can´t stand the album in question. Sometimes the same applies when I review an unknown artist who has sent me a promo or I find something on Bandcamp that I decide to review.


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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 2:48pm
A few negative reviews are fine, after all we can't love everything and if all our reviews were 4 or 5 stars they'd lack credibility. Having said that I don't like being too harsh when a band has put a lot of effort into making an album, even if it is shit. With only having limited free time though if i stumble across an album I'm not enjoying I struggle to even listen to it all so never get as far as a review.


Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 4:37pm
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

Negative reviews can become a bad habit though. Sometimes I have to stand back a bit and look at something I can review in a positive light because I've just ripped several different things to shreds. Sometimes you have to turn away from the darkness...Evil Smile
 
I don´t enjoy writing regative reviews, and I don´t consciously seek out bad quality albums, but sometimes I stumble upon them, or sometimes when going through an artist discography (which I often do from front to end), there is a turd or two in there, and for the sake of completeness I´ll write a review although I can´t stand the album in question. Sometimes the same applies when I review an unknown artist who has sent me a promo or I find something on Bandcamp that I decide to review.

That King Diamond review which I did a few months back which several people disagreed with (LOL) was because I'd stumbled across it and it was so surprisingly bad to my ears that I just HAD to write about it.


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2020 at 8:12am
Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

Negative reviews can become a bad habit though. Sometimes I have to stand back a bit and look at something I can review in a positive light because I've just ripped several different things to shreds. Sometimes you have to turn away from the darkness...Evil Smile
 
I don´t enjoy writing regative reviews, and I don´t consciously seek out bad quality albums, but sometimes I stumble upon them, or sometimes when going through an artist discography (which I often do from front to end), there is a turd or two in there, and for the sake of completeness I´ll write a review although I can´t stand the album in question. Sometimes the same applies when I review an unknown artist who has sent me a promo or I find something on Bandcamp that I decide to review.

That King Diamond review which I did a few months back which several people disagreed with (LOL) was because I'd stumbled across it and it was so surprisingly bad to my ears that I just HAD to write about it.
 
I don´t remember which King Diamond album you tore apart, but naturally I´ll disagree whichever it was LOL. I´m a huge fan.


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2020 at 8:31am
I did a scathing review recently for Pain of Salvation's The Perfect Element Part 1 (which got far less reaction than expected). My main motivation for it being that I absolutely despise that record. My excuse for it being that people do often ask me how the hell I can have a 0.5 on such a 'masterpiece'. Now they know. 

In general I don't write many reviews now. I lost the motivation, especially for promos (a few people still send me promos but I don't download them even if its a band I like). If I start forming words in my head I'll get them down and if its good enough I'll publish but I'm not actively bothering. I can't see there being many reviews below the four star mark (The PoS one aside) unless there's a release I was really hyped for that I end up disliking, then I'll probably write something. 

The only upcoming release I actively expect to review will be Ayreon's new one. 


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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2020 at 9:14am
I used to write some negative reviews, but I don't bother anymore. Why should I write about something that I don't like? Just seems pointless considering I write for fun and usually something I've been listening to that I want to talk about.

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Posted By: BitterJalapeno
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 5:54am
Thanks to everyone for their input - much appreciated indeed.  I may do some negative reviews if I feel that strongly about something being rather poor in particular but likewise to the above, I will sometimes not endure an album to the end if not enjoying it which would fall way short of the criteria required to give a fair review. 


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 10:41am

One thing I find a bit annoying is reviewers purposedly seeking out famous/highly regarded releases, to write negative reviews about. Especially if they include sentences like: "I don´t understand why this releases is so highly regarded, because to my ears it´s a turd", or other phrases like that. I know it´s tempting like hell...and I´ve probably stepped into that hole myself a couple of times, but IMO a well written negative review, which points out why the reviewer feels the release in question isn´t a high quality release to their ears is a much better way to write a regative review, than a regative review basically just bashing a release and spending time wondering why other listeners enjoy the release...



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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 11:44am
Yeah that's an easy trap to fall into without even meaning to go there. I certainly used such a line in my Pain of Salvation review: 'Nothing heard so far in any way justifies the kind of regard the album has.' Embarrassed

Also sometimes there's no nice way of expressing yourself when you feel like you're listening to a load of crap. You can avoid actually using words like 'crap' and 'shit' but that really does limit your substitutes. Personally I don't find trying to be more eloquent when you're bashing something an effective strategy. I think it may just come across as convoluted. Bad deserves blunt, if you get my meaning. 

I do see your point though about reviewers purposely seeking out the high rated to try to take it down a peg. I often get the feeling (which is not limited to music by any means) that some reviewers go into something having already decided that they won't like it. Unfortunately I have seen that happen here as well as other sites. 

But personally the thing that makes my blood boil in a review is when it's obvious that the reviewer just doesn't know what they're talking about, such as blatantly not having done any research into the release, the group or even the genre. If nothing else it just kills the reviewers credibility if they're going on about a release's quality as a thrash metal album when they're reviewing a famous power metal album. 

I also dislike the assigning of ratings that in no way correspond to the tone of the text - that just looks to me like they're trying to push the average rating toward what they'd find acceptable. I don't know how many times I've seen reviewers that say nothing but good things and then the reviewer sticks like 2 stars on it. Confused


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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 11:54am
I actually have another gripe LOL...I don´t like it when reviewers say Things like "this is the first release by the band that I have listened to, or I usually don´t review power metal releases, but this one I found in a bargage bin, so therefore I´ll give it a try, or similar Things, which show that they aren´t that familiar with either the artist or the music style they are reviewing. I know we all have to start somewhere, but my advice is to lie Cool, like your life depended on it. Or at least just don´t tell the Whole truth. You´ll lose credibility from the readers, if they don´t trust that you know what you´re talking about. I know from personal experience that I stop reading immediately if I read comments like that. I simply don´t trust the reviewers opinion...
 
...it´s the image you project which will either mean the readers trust your opinion or not.
 
Of course you can´t ramble on about Things you don´t know shit about, but as I said above, then just stick to what you know, and keep it simple. Don´t ever let the readers know that your knowledge is limited.


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 12:04pm
Actually one big thing I have with people (whether they are rating only or reviewing) that really pisses me of is to do with power metal. And that's when they rate it down just because it's power metal. RYM'ers are extremely guilty of this with a few particular users more openly vocal about it up to and including marking snarky comments toward those who rate power metal higher than they do (one such user referred to a 'power metal club' earlier this year). So lets call it pre-prejudice. I'm sure it exists everywhere, but its especially noticeable where power metal is concerned. 

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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

One thing I find a bit annoying is reviewers purposedly seeking out famous/highly regarded releases, to write negative reviews about. Especially if they include sentences like: "I don´t understand why this releases is so highly regarded, because to my ears it´s a turd", or other phrases like that. I know it´s tempting like hell...and I´ve probably stepped into that hole myself a couple of times, but IMO a well written negative review, which points out why the reviewer feels the release in question isn´t a high quality release to their ears is a much better way to write a regative review, than a regative review basically just bashing a release and spending time wondering why other listeners enjoy the release...


I have done this. It's one of the reasons I haven't touched Dirt by Alice in Chains (and cos I really REALLY don't want to listen to it!LOL).

I wrote a review like this for a very highly rated album here (not saying which one), and it took a huge dive down the ratings, which shocked me somewhat as to how much of an effect my review and rating had. I just deleted the review a few minutes ago, because reading this I realised it was unnecessary and was me being contrary, and the album has just jumped back up the ratings again. I really don't like the album in question, and it's well outside what I usually listen to, but a lot of other people do like it, and it's no skin off my nose if I don't have a review of it here.


Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Actually one big thing I have with people (whether they are rating only or reviewing) that really pisses me of is to do with power metal. And that's when they rate it down just because it's power metal. RYM'ers are extremely guilty of this with a few particular users more openly vocal about it up to and including marking snarky comments toward those who rate power metal higher than they do (one such user referred to a 'power metal club' earlier this year). So lets call it pre-prejudice. I'm sure it exists everywhere, but its especially noticeable where power metal is concerned. 

A power metal club is something you might see a dude on a Manowar album cover waving around.LOL



Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

One thing I find a bit annoying is reviewers purposedly seeking out famous/highly regarded releases, to write negative reviews about. Especially if they include sentences like: "I don´t understand why this releases is so highly regarded, because to my ears it´s a turd", or other phrases like that. I know it´s tempting like hell...and I´ve probably stepped into that hole myself a couple of times, but IMO a well written negative review, which points out why the reviewer feels the release in question isn´t a high quality release to their ears is a much better way to write a regative review, than a regative review basically just bashing a release and spending time wondering why other listeners enjoy the release...


I have done this. It's one of the reasons I haven't touched Dirt by Alice in Chains (and cos I really REALLY don't want to listen to it!LOL).

I wrote a review like this for a very highly rated album here (not saying which one), and it took a huge dive down the ratings, which shocked me somewhat as to how much of an effect my review and rating had. I just deleted the review a few minutes ago, because reading this I realised it was unnecessary and was me being contrary, and the album has just jumped back up the ratings again. I really don't like the album in question, and it's well outside what I usually listen to, but a lot of other people do like it, and it's no skin off my nose if I don't have a review of it here.
It´s not a crime and of course every member of this site is fully allowed to review whichever release they want to at any given time. I´m only questioning the motive for writing that sort of review, and not agreeing on that motive.

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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 4:33pm
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

One thing I find a bit annoying is reviewers purposedly seeking out famous/highly regarded releases, to write negative reviews about. Especially if they include sentences like: "I don´t understand why this releases is so highly regarded, because to my ears it´s a turd", or other phrases like that. I know it´s tempting like hell...and I´ve probably stepped into that hole myself a couple of times, but IMO a well written negative review, which points out why the reviewer feels the release in question isn´t a high quality release to their ears is a much better way to write a regative review, than a regative review basically just bashing a release and spending time wondering why other listeners enjoy the release...


I have done this. It's one of the reasons I haven't touched Dirt by Alice in Chains (and cos I really REALLY don't want to listen to it!LOL).

I wrote a review like this for a very highly rated album here (not saying which one), and it took a huge dive down the ratings, which shocked me somewhat as to how much of an effect my review and rating had. I just deleted the review a few minutes ago, because reading this I realised it was unnecessary and was me being contrary, and the album has just jumped back up the ratings again. I really don't like the album in question, and it's well outside what I usually listen to, but a lot of other people do like it, and it's no skin off my nose if I don't have a review of it here.
It´s not a crime and of course every member of this site is fully allowed to review whichever release they want to at any given time. I´m only questioning the motive for writing that sort of review, and not agreeing on that motive.

My motive was to review all our top rated albums, but I've since decided not to do it to albums I know I don't or won't like because my review as an admin can make a big difference to how an album rates. It wasn't deliberate, but I still felt guilty.Embarrassed


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 9:27am
Saw an example of what I meant about people not knowing their shit yesterday, wasn't a review but an article on a website about female musicians in metal that aren't vocalists. I was scrolling through it and couldn't help appreciate the irony considering what I'd written earlier that day about 'someone talking about thrash metal when it's power metal' which was meant to be a hypothetical example rather than something I'd actually seen someone do. Well now I have. The article kept going on about the thrash metal band Lovebites. 

http://www.altpress.com/features/best-women-in-metal/?fbclid=IwAR20i-z9lo-pV643Yz80vVhe_Rm0lrXcuqiLeHNWto7m5M_ccoPKKMNhzR4" rel="nofollow - https://www.altpress.com/features/best-women-in-metal/?fbclid=IwAR20i-z9lo-pV643Yz80vVhe_Rm0lrXcuqiLeHNWto7m5M_ccoPKKMNhzR4

I'm sure we all know here that Lovebites clearly plays power metal. 

Bad journalism whether you're writing an article or a review IMO. 


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Posted By: BitterJalapeno
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 10:15am

You must have psychic powers Adam…

While we are on the subject of bad journalism, I was recently reading a Metal Hammer article containing a list of upcoming metal releases for 2020 and they managed to make two bad mistakes when discussing the imminent release of Mastodon's "Medium Rarities” compilation album and a new studio album planned for release in 2021.  They state the 2021 album will be the “follow-up to 2016’s One More ‘Round the Sun” – actually released 2 years earlier in 2014.  To make matters worse, they completely missed the fact that the follow-up to this album already exists in the form of 2017s Emperor of Sand.



Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 11:03am
^Yeah mistakes happen, but the least people can do is do their research. Don´t fuck up songtitles, albums titles, band names, or other basic facts. It just looks sloppy and Again, it´s just one of those Things which Hurts a reviewer´s credibility.
 
I´ve made a couple of bad mistakes along the way, and it still happens sometimes, and I´m very greatful when some friendly soul gives me a hint, that I should change something in my review Thumbs Up.
 
He he I once called Procol Harum an American band in a review Embarrassed. I was so embarassed I could have climbed into a hole...


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Posted By: BitterJalapeno
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 11:12am
I hope my reviews have been reasonable enough in their content thus far as I'm certainly not up to scratch on my metal knowledge to anywhere near the same depth as you fine people. I like to think i wouldn't consider reviewing something unless I felt comfortable enough to at least do it justice and report with some degree of accuracy.


Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 11:23am
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

I also dislike the assigning of ratings that in no way correspond to the tone of the text - that just looks to me like they're trying to push the average rating toward what they'd find acceptable. I don't know how many times I've seen reviewers that say nothing but good things and then the reviewer sticks like 2 stars on it. Confused

That's such an RYM thing to do, and whenever people do it they come off as acting holier-than-thou and are just too cool for giving high ratings.

Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

I actually have another gripe LOL...I don´t like it when reviewers say Things like "this is the first release by the band that I have listened to, or I usually don´t review power metal releases, but this one I found in a bargage bin, so therefore I´ll give it a try, or similar Things, which show that they aren´t that familiar with either the artist or the music style they are reviewing.

Personally I disagree, I think it brings a different perspective. It's nice hearing someone's thoughts on an album, band, or style of music they haven't heard before, and can spark some great conversation and fans can direct the person to more that's similar. Also sometimes it can be more helpful to others who aren't familiar with it. Say someone's never heard a power metal album, and comes from a thrash background, and they say this first power metal album they've heard is really good. That would tell other thrash fans that they should maybe check it out, possibly more so then a fan of power metal talking about it. Meanwhile a power metal fan talking about a power metal album being really good, may be more helpful to other power metal fans.


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

I also dislike the assigning of ratings that in no way correspond to the tone of the text - that just looks to me like they're trying to push the average rating toward what they'd find acceptable. I don't know how many times I've seen reviewers that say nothing but good things and then the reviewer sticks like 2 stars on it. Confused

That's such an RYM thing to do, and whenever people do it they come off as acting holier-than-thou and are just too cool for giving high ratings.

The five rules of RYM:
  1. Do not give high ratings. Trust us, it's not that good. 
  2. If you 'must' break rule one (we say with a sneer of utter contempt), you better make sure you cap your next rating no matter how good you think it is. Even if it's better than the album you broke the rule for. Even 4 stars would be pushing your luck at this point. 
  3. It's just better if you don't break rule one to start with.
  4. But if you must break it it had better not be for fucking power metal. 
  5. Actually just be a miserable stick in the mud and never enjoy music ever again. 



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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 12:10pm
Joking aside, RYM'ers give you a ton of peer pressure to not rate too highly or at least not to do it too often. Sometimes it seems like people on there never actually enjoy anything or even take the time to try to allow a release to open up to them (which we all know is a very real thing). It's no different on the movies section of the site.

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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 12:17pm
^I´ve never noticed anything like that on RYM, but then Again, I don´t participate on their forum. Only one person has acted like a jerk to me, but in retrospect I was half to blame as I had flooded a lot of RYM inboxes with MMA propaganda...oh well I learned a leason (I was actually banned for a couple of weeks LOL), but the above mentioned jerk was just downright rude, instead of just letting me know that my behaviour wasn´t tolerated, he called me all sorts of nasty Things. Let´s just say, I´m pretty sure he wouldn´t have had the nerve to say it to my "real" face...a brave keyboard warrior he was that one Thumbs Down.

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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 12:29pm
Yeah, there's a hive mind mentality there that act like the top albums/movies are definitive (hence why the top 100 never really changes unless some new hyped album comes out) and you must like every one of those, but only give 5 stars to whatever their definition of "objectively perfect" is. I've never been able to understand it, and I'm glad I don't. And yeah, I'm not going to watch 2001: A Space Odyssey over and over again until I force myself to like it when I found it so boring the first time.

Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:


4. But if you must break it it had better not be for fucking power metal. 


I'll add to that it better not be for a nu metal album that isn't Deftones, heaven forbid you love a nu metal album unless it's influenced by Shoegaze.


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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by BitterJalapeno BitterJalapeno wrote:

I hope my reviews have been reasonable enough in their content thus far as I'm certainly not up to scratch on my metal knowledge to anywhere near the same depth as you fine people. I like to think i wouldn't consider reviewing something unless I felt comfortable enough to at least do it justice and report with some degree of accuracy.

I've been listening to metal in many various forms since the 1980s, but I have to admit when writing reviews a lot of my "metal knowledge" comes via Google search and Wikipedia.EmbarrassedLOL It's mostly little stuff like dates and band member names and shit like that.


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 12:50pm
The thing is we have the internet these days and it takes very few seconds to search out some facts to at least do some bare bones research before you publish something. 

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

^I´ve never noticed anything like that on RYM, but then Again, I don´t participate on their forum. Only one person has acted like a jerk to me, but in retrospect I was half to blame as I had flooded a lot of RYM inboxes with MMA propaganda...oh well I learned a leason (I was actually banned for a couple of weeks LOL), but the above mentioned jerk was just downright rude, instead of just letting me know that my behaviour wasn´t tolerated, he called me all sorts of nasty Things. Let´s just say, I´m pretty sure he wouldn´t have had the nerve to say it to my "real" face...a brave keyboard warrior he was that one Thumbs Down.

This isn't on their forum, just people either making comments on release pages (where they may be missed by who they're aimed at) or if they're a little aggressive about it they'll make their way to your own shout box. 

I remember the time you were banned for a bit. Some sites are very aggressive about others promoting through them. Sometimes I'm surprised no one's reported me for having the MMA logo as my avatar. LOL Did I ever tell you that back in the days of Heavy Metal Haven I got banned from Twitter for sharing links to reviews to the artists? Apparently reviewing a band and tagging them in the Tweet was considered spam. I was eventually unbanned from the site but now it only gets used when I need to follow someone to get competition entries on various sites. 


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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Yeah, there's a hive mind mentality there that act like the top albums/movies are definitive (hence why the top 100 never really changes unless some new hyped album comes out) and you must like every one of those, but only give 5 stars to whatever their definition of "objectively perfect" is. I've never been able to understand it, and I'm glad I don't. And yeah, I'm not going to watch 2001: A Space Odyssey over and over again until I force myself to like it when I found it so boring the first time.

Oh good I'm not the only one who was bored by that movie. Though perhaps not as much as Stalker, their current #10. 

I've seen all their top 10 and most of them are movies I either loved or at least really liked. But 2001 and Stalker were like watching paint dry for me. 


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Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 2:14pm
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

The five rules of RYM:
  1. Do not give high ratings. Trust us, it's not that good. 
  2. If you 'must' break rule one (we say with a sneer of utter contempt), you better make sure you cap your next rating no matter how good you think it is. Even if it's better than the album you broke the rule for. Even 4 stars would be pushing your luck at this point. 
  3. It's just better if you don't break rule one to start with.
  4. But if you must break it it had better not be for fucking power metal. 
  5. Actually just be a miserable stick in the mud and never enjoy music ever again. 


I feel like we could make a much longer list than this of RYM satire. 


Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Yeah, there's a hive mind mentality there that act like the top albums/movies are definitive (hence why the top 100 never really changes unless some new hyped album comes out) and you must like every one of those, but only give 5 stars to whatever their definition of "objectively perfect" is. I've never been able to understand it, and I'm glad I don't. And yeah, I'm not going to watch 2001: A Space Odyssey over and over again until I force myself to like it when I found it so boring the first time.

Oh good I'm not the only one who was bored by that movie. Though perhaps not as much as Stalker, their current #10. 

I've seen all their top 10 and most of them are movies I either loved or at least really liked. But 2001 and Stalker were like watching paint dry for me. 

2001 seems like a total "you had to be there" kind of movie. Like I'm sure if I was around to watch it back when it came out in 1968 or whatever, it would've been mind-blowing to see all those admittedly realistic and impressive shots of space. However, now there's so many awesome real shots taken from space, it doesn't impress as much now and it's light on plot making it appear as that was the main draw of the film. There's only about 1/4 of the movie that really drives a suspenseful plot and feeling like a space thriller that I wish it was.


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Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 2:23pm
I feel like 2001 is a film I'm glad I've seen, but I'm not really interested in re-watching it, at least not for a long time. The greatest movies of all time should be ones you can watch and watch and watch and be endlessly entertained. I can't in all honesty say that's true of 2001 for me. 

The score is bloody good though. More iconic than the film for me. 


Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 3:12pm
It's a movie I have the nagging feeling I should try again one day, but I'm not in a rush to do so. 

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 3:31am
Been thinking. Negative reviews do have their place. So long as you go in with an open mind and your opinion is honest and not the result of an agenda. Mostly I'd rather talk about music I like, but sometimes there's an album that simply riles me up and makes me want to tear it a new one. 

Like this one:  http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/review/worlds-apart/590716" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/review/worlds-apart/590716

I have no regrets. Evil Smile


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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 9:28am
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Been thinking. Negative reviews do have their place. So long as you go in with an open mind and your opinion is honest and not the result of an agenda. Mostly I'd rather talk about music I like, but sometimes there's an album that simply riles me up and makes me want to tear it a new one. 

Like this one:  http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/review/worlds-apart/590716" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/review/worlds-apart/590716

I have no regrets. Evil Smile
Yeah exactly. Just as long as there´s no agenda for writing a negative review, then please do so. As many different opinions as possible about a release are welcome, and only gives the readers a better and more broader perspective to judge an album by.
 
I once wrote a review of an old krautrock Classic on PA, where I compared the quality of the music to a monkey painting a Picture with its dick (or something like that), and while that´s not the most respectful thing to write, it came from the Heart and was my honest opinion, and while I would probably not phrase my opinions that bluntly these days, it´s still a Little funny thinking back on that review LOL.


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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 10:03am
Well there’s an image that I’m struggling to get rid of 😂


Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 12:26pm
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

I compared the quality of the music to a monkey painting a Picture with its dick (or something like that)

That is a truly inspirational turn of phrase!LOL


Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Yeah, there's a hive mind mentality there that act like the top albums/movies are definitive (hence why the top 100 never really changes unless some new hyped album comes out) and you must like every one of those, but only give 5 stars to whatever their definition of "objectively perfect" is. I've never been able to understand it, and I'm glad I don't. And yeah, I'm not going to watch 2001: A Space Odyssey over and over again until I force myself to like it when I found it so boring the first time.

Oh good I'm not the only one who was bored by that movie. Though perhaps not as much as Stalker, their current #10. 

I've seen all their top 10 and most of them are movies I either loved or at least really liked. But 2001 and Stalker were like watching paint dry for me. 

2001 seems like a total "you had to be there" kind of movie. Like I'm sure if I was around to watch it back when it came out in 1968 or whatever, it would've been mind-blowing to see all those admittedly realistic and impressive shots of space. However, now there's so many awesome real shots taken from space, it doesn't impress as much now and it's light on plot making it appear as that was the main draw of the film. There's only about 1/4 of the movie that really drives a suspenseful plot and feeling like a space thriller that I wish it was.

2001 makes so much more sense after you've read the book. Like the movie, the ending is a bit drawn out and a bit of a yawn. However, I went on and read the rest of the quadrilogy, and it was quite a satisfying story all up. The movie sequel 2010 is actually better than it might seem too.


Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2020 at 11:27am
Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Been thinking. Negative reviews do have their place. So long as you go in with an open mind and your opinion is honest and not the result of an agenda. Mostly I'd rather talk about music I like, but sometimes there's an album that simply riles me up and makes me want to tear it a new one. 

Like this one:  http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/review/worlds-apart/590716" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/review/worlds-apart/590716

I have no regrets. Evil Smile

I'd heard a single from this when they were suggested here and your review encouraged me not to bother with the rest of the album despite Russell Allen's involvement. I knew from the combination of both that I wouldn't like the album. 

This is the thing, if you trust a reviewer, as I trust many who post here on MMA, then you can trust that when they do give something a bashing that its an honest opinion. With the RYM crowd and the 'don't give high ratings' mentality you perhaps do know on the rare occasion that they allow themselves to like something, but they give you little distinction between the solid and perfectly acceptable and the actual crap. With that site you have to work that anything averaging even slightly over the 3 star mark is a gem. 



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