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My general definition for metal is such as this:

1. There needs to be at least one distorted instrument (generally stringed instrument, this can be anything from an electric guitar to a synth patch to a distorted cello)
2. It has to be based on riffs. This separates it from punk, which is more based on fast drums and several bars of abrasive chords.
3. It is not based on elements found in pop music such as catchyness or ability to sing along. It can have pop elements, just not a ton.

This generally works for me, even though I'm more of a know-it-when-I-hear-it person.

The definition isn't perfect though. For example, Within Temptation's "The Heart of Everything" and "Addicted" by Devin Townsend wouldn't qualify by rule 3.
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"Concrete music" is already taken Tongue
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My first rule of thumb is simply a general "Does it sound more like metal or rock?" - that's a good place to start, and it's usually guitar tone that gives the game away, or riff styling - rock will tend towards 12-bar, with a kind of "swagger" or swing. Metal tends to avoid swing, going for sharper, more angular riffs.
 
Next I'll listen to the lyrics. Rock is deeply rooted in rock and roll, which is a famous euphamism - so the lyrics tend to be connected with, shall we say, relationships.
 
Metal lyrics tend to fall into three categories that rock might touch on, but generally doesn't dwell on as much;
 
1. Non-conformist, including satanistic, occult, or simple "Up yours" to society in general (from the punk root)
2. Epic fantasy, generally of a dark nature.
3. Nihilism - the denial of meaning in existence, to a greater or lesser degree.
 
Thirdly, metal tends to be more aggressive as a result of the guitar tones, riffs and lyrical content - although rock can be aggressive too, it tends to be a kind of macho aggression - which is probably why Glam gets a hard time from troo metal fans. Metal's aggression seems less animalistic and more cerebral.
 
Finally, metal has an unfortunate tendency to take itself seriously.
 
None of these things are "defining elements", just general differences I've noticed.
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When I record a hard n heavy CD, then I include Metal Ballads, AoR, Thrash, Death, or traditional metal. It is the variety of styles that makes Hard n Heavy interesting for me. I just recorded a DVD full of songs from my collection. It includes Extreme metal such as Catamenia, Kataklysm, Protector, or Exodus, but also metal ballads from Nightwish and Warlock. The song Lesson to Violence of Exodus is for example followed by the song Lonely by Crimson Glory.

Sometimes, I focus on lesser known bands.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

"Concrete music" is already taken Tongue


Point well taken. Though it doesn't use riffs Smile
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Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

My general definition for metal is such as this:

1. There needs to be at least one distorted instrument (generally stringed instrument, this can be anything from an electric guitar to a synth patch to a distorted cello)
2. It has to be based on riffs. This separates it from punk, which is more based on fast drums and several bars of abrasive chords.
3. It is not based on elements found in pop music such as catchyness or ability to sing along. It can have pop elements, just not a ton.

This generally works for me, even though I'm more of a know-it-when-I-hear-it person.

The definition isn't perfect though. For example, Within Temptation's "The Heart of Everything" and "Addicted" by Devin Townsend wouldn't qualify by rule 3.


by these definitions Jean Louis is metal

INFORM THE AVANT-METAL TEAM!
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^I don't think I'll ever make a definition that even I can agree with. And if I could it wouldn't align with this website, because there are a lot of bands that this site accepts that I would outright reject. Tongue
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