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Vic 
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 Posted: 08 Jan 2015 at 11:38am |
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Metallica was the first band to release a thrash metal LP. Show No Mercy came 6 months later and was notably less thrashier and aggressive.
People forget or don't know altogether what kind of an impact some songs had in the metal community. Songs like Whiplash were a huge shock and I think it is obvious that it is a song far heavier and faster than anything Venom did at that point. Motorhead and Venom are definitely the godfathers of thrash (and Venom is also the godfather of death metal and black metal) but their music cannot be labelled thrash except in the case of a couple of songs (usually cited as proto-thrash).
In the Bay Area there were other bands doing heavy, fast music (like Exodus or Metal Church) but Metallica was the best and the first to set the standards. Slayer, as already mentioned had to take their cue from Metallica to step up their game after seeing them live in 1983 and still, you can't say that Hell Awaits was heavier than say Fight Fire with Fire or Creeping Death. Scarier, sure. Darker, absolutely. Sicker, of course! But heavier? Slayer sat on the thrash metal throne in 1986 with Reign in Blood but that's because Metallica were aiming for a much larger one (well, I am not sure they could dethrone Slayer even if they tried though... I mean Angel of Death and Raining Blood can't really be topped...). Damage Inc, Battery, Disposable Heroes are absolute heavy as fuck and fast as hell thrash metal songs. Megadeth's classic Peace Sells is notably lighter and Anthrax were on the same level. Exodus? After the monumental Bonded by Blood, if anything got more accessible by thrash metal standards. And it should be good to remember that the Big 4 of thrash had nothing to do with "first" or "most influential", even though they were certainly among them. It was all about the most popular and believe it or not during the Clash of the Titans tour (91), Slayer was the LEAST popular even though by that time they were the undisputed kings of thrash. |
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Gabimm
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Posted: 08 Jan 2015 at 10:48am |
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Yes, Metallica was the most popular thrash metal band and perhaps still is, even though less now thrash. His first four albums of the 80s' were critical for movement and for other bands too, also consider the aggressive, melodically very rich and elegant with complex passages. But of the 90 'here are not thrash, that was in the past and was very well represented. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view) the thrash metal NEVER be popular. How would Sam Dunn in the movie Metal: A Headbanger's Journey, "who does not understand the metal, can be left out, just do not need you."  |
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UMUR
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Posted: 08 Jan 2015 at 9:54am |
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^It definitely is, my point was just that Show No Mercy has more in common with traditional heavy metal than Kill ´em All does.
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Posted: 08 Jan 2015 at 4:42am |
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To me Show No Mercy sounds like it is Metallica influenced in a way. Listen to Crionics
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Posted: 08 Jan 2015 at 4:32am |
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Yeah I know Venom had a really dark and aggressive sound a couple of years before Metallica released their debut, but to my ears they weren´t really thrash, but more a fast occult themed heavy metal act (or proto-thrash if you will). Of course they were incredibly influential on the thrash metal genre, but really fast and aggressive thrash metal with sharp edgy riffing, I´m not sure I´d credit Venom with that.
...and yeah the Slayer thing is pretty interesting too, and it´s obvious when you listen to Show No Mercy, that they still had a lot of heavy metal influences in their music, which is only to a lesser degree audible on Kill ´em All, which is actually the most raw and aggressive release out of those two.
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Posted: 08 Jan 2015 at 3:00am |
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A band that has already been mentioned was already pushing the boundaries at the time...Venom. Metallica were different. They just stood out, sometimes a band arrives and you just know they are destined for huge success, that was Metallica. Lets not forget Slayer were a straight up metal band before they saw Metallica play. Perhaps that answers the original question? |
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Posted: 06 Jan 2015 at 12:52pm |
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Exactly!
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Posted: 06 Jan 2015 at 12:47pm |
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I have to disagree with Metallica being the least thrash of them all.
They may not have been the most thrash, compared to the brutal Slayer, but their first four albums are full of aggressive riffing and vocals, pounding drums and pretty much all that Jonas has been saying. I must say that they were more thrash then Anthrax and Megadeth. Anthrax, even though being one of my favorites, implemented various metal styles. Megadeth focused more on speed.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2015 at 12:35pm |
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If you listen to those four albums, they are also far more aggressive (though also varied enough to include acoustic guitar sections and other more sophisticated elements), than a lot of other acts from those days. I´m pretty sure no one had ever heard anything as fast and aggresssive as Kill ´em All when that album was released (maybe Steve can put some historical perspective on that statement). I actually listened to Ride the Lightning yesterday, and there are some very hard edged riffing on that album too.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2015 at 10:55am |
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That's exactly my point. People tend to forget that, and they tend to forget the historical perspective as well.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2015 at 1:56am |
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I don´t think that´s true at all. I think the first four Metallica albums are far more thrashy than most of Megadeth and Anthrax music, just to pull out a few examples of contemporary artists.
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Posted: 05 Jan 2015 at 11:17pm |
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Posted: 05 Jan 2015 at 10:08pm |
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If Metallica was the most popular thrash band, it was only because they were the least thrash of them all
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Posted: 05 Jan 2015 at 9:49pm |
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Was Metallica responsible for creating guitars? bass? drums? NO
Were they responsible for creating metal? No Thrashy metal? No (Motorhead and Venom) Incorporating classical music into metal? YES! And a damn fine job at that. They perfected a hybrid hinted at since Deep Purple AND pulled it off. Kudos to them. WTF happened after the black album though? I know some like that stuff but no one can claim that it was innovative or cutting edge, just ok.
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Posted: 05 Jan 2015 at 7:33pm |
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Yes, it is indisputable! Metallica opened doors and introduced the thrash metal in the world!
Yes, I agree. Edited by Gabimm - 05 Jan 2015 at 7:34pm |
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Posted: 05 Jan 2015 at 10:13am |
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What Jonas said. |
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Posted: 05 Jan 2015 at 9:50am |
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Yeah, like Gene the mean caffeine machine said "Metallica got good" :-)
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Posted: 05 Jan 2015 at 9:27am |
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Many artists and historians mention Exodus as one of the originators of thrash, predating Metallica, but Metallica got big almost instantly, and a band like Exodus only ever achieved relative success. But that was the case for many other thrash metal artists from the 80s like Forbidden, Vio-Lence, and Heathen, just to mention a few other contemporary acts.
To my ears it´s a question of quality. Not that the above mentioned acts didn´t produce some quality material, but Metallica always stood out as something very special, and apparently I´m not the only one who heard it  .Edited by UMUR - 05 Jan 2015 at 9:29am |
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Posted: 05 Jan 2015 at 9:22am |
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I think people tend to forget just how important Metallica were in the 80s. I know that hating on them is popular now, but, if it weren't for them, a lot of the really good thrash bands out there today, would never have existed. In the documentary Get Thrashed, Gene Hoglan attribute the birth of thrash metal to the fact that Metallica "got good" and that the other bands in the scene had to improve their own chops to keep up with Metallica.
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Posted: 05 Jan 2015 at 7:19am |
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I believe that to a certain extent, yes, Metallica founded the thrash movement in the US, especially in the Bay Area and then the world began to recognize that. But 90s here believe that the band lost the post to other bands driven by them as Slayer, Exodus, Testament, among others, continue doing thrash metal today, diferent to Metallica. Metallica is currently one excelent metal band, but the thrash was for history.
Ps: Sorry for my stupid English. Edited by Gabimm - 05 Jan 2015 at 7:23am |
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