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    Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 10:49am
Just in case some of you haven't been keeping tabs on this story, here are some relevant articles:

Hopefully this can be resolved so that the fans get the reunion they want with all 4 members involved.  
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Completely ridilulous story. A band with 4 members should split the earnings from the tour with 25% to each musician. Period!!!
 
I know it�s different when speaking of album releases with songwriting credits and all, but touring earnings should be equally divided IMO.
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Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Completely ridilulous story. A band with 4 members should split the earnings from the tour with 25% to each musician. Period!!!
 
I know it�s different when speaking of album releases with songwriting credits and all, but touring earnings should be equally divided IMO.

Agreed 100%.  I don't care if Ozzy and Iommi are bigger household names than Ward.  Ward's no session player either, he's a contributing Sabbath member.  I'm curious to know exactly how this contract is structured.  
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This was very saddening to hear. I hope they resolve it though. And I hope all is well with Tony too. I really hope I get to see them live soon.
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Bill hasn't been in the best playing shape for a long time, but still it's a low blow. Someone like Appice or Mike Bordin as the fourth piece of this line-up would just sound wrong.
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Originally posted by Pekka Pekka wrote:

Bill hasn't been in the best playing shape for a long time, but still it's a low blow. Someone like Appice or Mike Bordin as the fourth piece of this line-up would just sound wrong.


This.

Maybe That Fuckin' Bitch (a.k.a. Sharon Osbourne) is involved on this?


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They should brig in Vinny Appice and Tony Martin and move on with Heaven and Hell instead of going back to Ozzy-fronted Black Sabbath IMO.
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They should quit playing alltogether IMOWinkLOL
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I have a feeling there will be an 11th hour deal made....
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Let�s hope so, because this feels wrong.
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Unfortunately, they named a replacement drummer (I've never heard of him, though he has toured with Ozzy).

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While some of the comments of Blabbermouth are a bit too juvenile for my taste (and I�m a childish kinda personSmile), I fully understand people�s disappointment. Finally after all those years we were going to hear the original Black Sabbath playing together again. I�m not so sure everybody has been equally excited about the prospects of a new album, but seing the original lineup live seems to have seriously made people�s blood boil. While I�m sure a younger and more fit drummer can play a tighter show, that�s not what people want to hear. They want to hear Bill Ward play. They want to hear that organic playing that influenced thousands.
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Aaron Ward has apparently made a statement on the Black Sabbath Facebook page that has since been removed, but hey this is the internet, so someone copy/pasted the statement and it�s available on several forums, so why not here:
 
"There�s one thing about Black Sabbath which should not be understated: If Black Sabbath is missing any one of its members it�s no longer Black Sabbath." - Henry Rollins i'm with Henry the press is spinning this shit storm to read as if my dad has quit. this is not true. the guys know that. that's why they said the door is ALWAYS open.
my dad hasn't "declined" playing with black sabbath or "threatened" to pull out of this reunion.
as he stated his bags are packed and he's ready to go. he say's it loud and clear, he definitely wants to play on the album and he definitely wants to tour.
i know he's been committed to this project from the beginning all the way to the point everyone else flew off to the uk.
when i saw him over the summer he had this little cd case with him that had all the rehearsals and song ideas.
each cd was sharpie scrawled with rough titles and ideas they had been working on.
about a month ago my dad called me to let me know that Tony had been diagnosed with cancer. he said they were all flying over in the next couple of weeks to continue recording the album in the uk and begin rehearsals for the summer tours. he'd been rehearsing more than i've ever known him to. up till about 3 weeks ago he was working extremely hard and close with the other 3 on this album/reunion tour. he was in very good spirits and sounded excited to be writing with Tony, Geezer and Ozzy again.
i know if they sort this shit out you guys won't be disappointed.

i've always stayed out of my dad's business and would like nothing more than for everything to be worked out swiftly between the guys.
unfortunately it's become personal with all these idiots sl*gging off my dad so this is for the fucking morons saying

"get over it Bill" : my dad has "gotten over it" again and again. he's risen above this bullshit thing called showbiz for the last 30 years. he's respected because he's real and honest not just because he's a complete bad ass on the drums. he's been there for other musicians. in all kinds of circles - punk rock, hardcore, metal whatever. he was one of the first to get his head screwed back on after the 70's and get cleaned up. he's given so much support to so many people trying to pull themselves out of the hell called addiction. he tries so hard to stay in touch with the fans. he'll talk your ear off if you get a chance. he is humbled by your support and loves you.

"can't believe he needs to make this public" or "it's not the first time" : you're an idiot and have no idea what the hell's really going on. just shut the fuck up and keep the speculation and lies to yourself. what my dad posted was from his heart, on the level and as usual completely honest. he wants you to know what's really going on. that he has been given a contract that he can't sign. nothing more to it. no hidden agenda. disappointingly someone else is trying to shroud everything in some kind of x factor "yeah it's full steam ahead - we have no choice" bullshit. of course they have a choice.

"don't be so greedy" : he is by no means greedy man. if he was he would of settled with whatever contract given him. it's kind of obvious someone else is greedy. wake up. he lives in a modest home in southern california. pays rent like the rest of uz. in case your still blind look at it this way - sadly the current "sabbath" statement reads as if someone would rather see the remaining members play in front of thousands of disappointed, confused and resentful fans then give my dad a dignified agreement. additionally the record sales will be severely affected because it isn't the promised original line up. all this because of someone's inability to respect him as the committed founding member he is. this has derailed the fan's hopes of seeing the original line up and strongly divided the fans. what a way to fuck up such a powerful, influential and inspirational legacy for the rest of time.

"who cares, it's just a bunch pensioners" : i'm just as cynical about old rock legends getting back on the road "one more time" as anyone but this is BLACK SABBATH. they've never been a conventional band. thing is i know these guys have been rehearsing loads. over the last couple months. when i've caught up with my dad he's been talking about how heavy the jams have been and how hard he's been playing. do you think people were looking at miles davis, ornette coleman or max roach going "man these guys are boring and old" no! it's the music that's important, played by the masters themselves. thats what we want. they're here to teach us, inspire us and make us flip out. i saw the (captain beefhearts) magic band recently on tour and they were clearly the definite article. legends. completely schooled any new hip shiny processed hyped out mush you've been exposed to in the last couple years. there's no doubt that there are loads of new heavy as fuck bands out there but to me Black Sabbath are still totally relevant. it's pointless to bitch about their age. they will kick serious fucking ass. trust.

to Terry (my godfather) , Ozzy (my friend when i was little) and Tony (towering hero) i hope that you will listen to your fans. they want all of you together. as YOU are black sabbath so is my Dad. i hope you guys can work it out.
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Edited by UMUR - 08 Feb 2012 at 2:14pm
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