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Andyman1125 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 2068 |
 Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 9:42am |
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Don't forget about the Knife. No like seriously, The Knife is so metal.
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Certif1ed
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: 29 Mar 2010 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 473 |
Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 3:09pm |
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To be honest, I wouldn't even consider The Knife as proto - which is the Genesis example most people seem to give when suggesting them. The thing with Crimson, is that they wrote many songs which sound metal, as opposed to Genesis' occasional hard/heavy rock sound.
To me, the difference between the metal sound and the hard rock sound is the difference between Suicide by Dust and Warrior by Wishbone Ash.
Compare Thrak to any Genesis song, and that's what I mean.
I could get all analytical - but I think these examples speak volumes (and make for some great listening!).
The following are good examples of proto metal, IMHO;
The proto metal team currently have a very, very long list of proto metal bands to add - I'd be delighted to contibute to a thread on proto, including more examples of the real deal for you to enjoy! Edited by Certif1ed - 23 Jan 2011 at 3:14pm |
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Andyman1125
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 2068 |
Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 7:06pm |
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I mentioned The Knife purely in jest, I never considered actually suggesting them.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 7:16pm |
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yeahhh if Genesis gets added to this site I will resign from my collab position
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CCVP
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Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Brasil Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 7:36pm |
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LOL, u srs? If Morse gets added, adding bands such Genesis will be only a rhetorical excercise. |
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J-Man
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7032 |
Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 7:51pm |
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I'm sorry - that is one of The dumbest things I have read in MMA history.  We get it - you disagree with the Neal Morse addition - you've made that clear by now. Unfortunately for you, there are many more people that support his addition based on ? and Sola Scriptura - both of which are progressive metal (or very damn close). If you disagree with the addition, fine. You've made that more very clear, and comments like this are completely futile - Neal Morse will be added. There is admin approval for the addition, and I'm working on preparing a bio. Again, I highly recommend actually listening to the albums in question, or at least these songs: |
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Andyman1125
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Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 8:11pm |
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I seem to have stirred up quite a bit of strife on MMA
 Obviously I support both of their inclusions And Caio, just accept it: Morse has released SOME metal. He may still be a symph/christian artist overall, but Sola Scriptura is 99% metal, and ? is 85% metal.
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Andyman1125
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Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 8:12pm |
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Yesssssss
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J-Man
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Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 8:14pm |
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I'm not even that concerned about the Neal Morse thing... People will disagree with most anything. it's just the "since Neal Morse will be added, it'd be rhetorical exercise to add bands like Genesis" that irks me. Not true! Genesis never released a progressive metal album! |
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Andyman1125
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Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 9:46pm |
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I have no idea how that came about I made a side comment that turned into some big hullabaloo
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J-Man
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Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 9:52pm |
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No, not your comment... this one: 
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Certif1ed
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Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 1:13am |
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It's hard to tell - I've actually seen people suggest Genesis as a proto metal band on other forums on the basis of that one song...
Can't really consider Morse - he's a bit late in the day for proto, while Crimson aren't (do you see what I did there?  ).Edited by Certif1ed - 24 Jan 2011 at 1:14am |
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Time Signature
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Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 5:15am |
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Has King Crimson released an entire album which is hard rocking og metallish? (I've heard talk of Thrak being such an album, which I actually haven't heard myself).
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CCVP
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Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 7:47am |
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Thrak and Power to Believe COULD be classified as such, specially the latter, but the one album that really makes a point for KC is Red and classify them as a metal band would be an unecessary strech of concepts IMO. It is better to leave them out of MMA.
more info @ http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=191
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Pekka
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Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 9:43am |
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Aren't you contradicting yourself there a bit, or don't you buy the MMA guideline of adding bands who have at least one definite metal album?
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J-Man
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Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 10:09am |
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Yeah, that is quite a contradiction. Caio, we can add bands who have only one definite metal album. The question with KC is if they ever actually released a full-blown metal album.
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Pelata
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Joined: 21 Jan 2011 Location: NC - USA Status: Offline Points: 339 |
Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 10:52am |
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If I'm not mistaken, I think Forbidden also covered "21st Centiry Schizoid Man"...
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Certif1ed
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: 29 Mar 2010 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 473 |
Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 11:19am |
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I think that since KC have consistently dabbled and returned to the heaviest end of the spectrum that they're probably worth considering, full album or not - you could probably make a very decent and quite long album out of KC's metal and proto metal pieces.
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Pelata
MMA Metal Reviewer
Joined: 21 Jan 2011 Location: NC - USA Status: Offline Points: 339 |
Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 11:39am |
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IMO, if we can consider Blue Cheer in the Proto-Metal category, then surely we can include King Crimson...
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UMUR
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Errors & Omissions Team / Retired Admin Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 18088 |
Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 11:43am |
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...and Voivod
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King Crimson for proto-metal?
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