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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 9:42am
Originally posted by Balthamel Balthamel wrote:

i will also call the Musical Box by Genesis proto-heavy metal as well also parts of Dancing With the Moonlit Knight Tongue

Don't forget about the Knife. No like seriously, The Knife is so metal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 3:09pm

To be honest, I wouldn't even consider The Knife as proto - which is the Genesis example most people seem to give when suggesting them.

The thing with Crimson, is that they wrote many songs which sound metal, as opposed to Genesis' occasional hard/heavy rock sound.
 
To me, the difference between the metal sound and the hard rock sound is the difference between Suicide by Dust and Warrior by Wishbone Ash.
 
 
Compare Thrak to any Genesis song, and that's what I mean.
 
I could get all analytical - but I think these examples speak volumes (and make for some great listening!).
 
The following are good examples of proto metal, IMHO;
 
 
 
The proto metal team currently have a very, very long list of proto metal bands to add - I'd be delighted to contibute to a thread on proto, including more examples of the real deal for you to enjoy!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 7:06pm
I mentioned The Knife purely in jest, I never considered actually suggesting them. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 7:16pm
yeahhh if Genesis gets added to this site I will resign from my collab position
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 7:36pm
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

yeahhh if Genesis gets added to this site I will resign from my collab position


LOL, u srs? If Morse gets added,  adding bands such Genesis will be only a rhetorical excercise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 7:51pm
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

yeahhh if Genesis gets added to this site I will resign from my collab position


LOL, u srs? If Morse gets added,  adding bands such Genesis will be only a rhetorical excercise.


I'm sorry - that is one of The dumbest things I have read in MMA history. Wink

We get it - you disagree with the Neal Morse addition - you've made that clear by now. Unfortunately for you, there are many more people that support his addition based on ? and Sola Scriptura - both of which are progressive metal (or very damn close).

If you disagree with the addition, fine. You've made that more very clear, and comments like this are completely futile - Neal Morse will be added. There is admin approval for the addition, and I'm working on preparing a bio.

Again, I highly recommend actually listening to the albums in question, or at least these songs:






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 8:11pm
I seem to have stirred up quite a bit of strife on MMA Tongue

Obviously I support both of their inclusions 

And Caio, just accept it: Morse has released SOME metal. He may still be a symph/christian artist overall, but Sola Scriptura is 99% metal, and ? is 85% metal.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 8:12pm
Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

 

Neal Morse will be added. There is admin approval for the addition, and I'm working on preparing a bio.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by andyman1125 andyman1125 wrote:

I seem to have stirred up quite a bit of strife on MMA Tongue

Obviously I support both of their inclusions 

And Caio, just accept it: Morse has released SOME metal. He may still be a symph/christian artist overall, but Sola Scriptura is 99% metal, and ? is 85% metal.


I'm not even that concerned about the Neal Morse thing... People will disagree with most anything. it's just the "since Neal Morse will be added, it'd be rhetorical exercise to add bands like Genesis" that irks me. Not true! Genesis never released a progressive metal album! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 9:46pm
Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

 Genesis never released a progressive metal album! LOL

I have no idea how that came about LOL
I made a side comment that turned into some big hullabaloo  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 9:52pm
Originally posted by andyman1125 andyman1125 wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

 Genesis never released a progressive metal album! LOL

I have no idea how that came about LOL
I made a side comment that turned into some big hullabaloo  


No, not your comment... this one:    Smile

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LOL, u srs? If Morse gets added,  adding bands such Genesis will be only a rhetorical excercise.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 1:13am
Originally posted by andyman1125 andyman1125 wrote:

I mentioned The Knife purely in jest, I never considered actually suggesting them. LOL
 
It's hard to tell - I've actually seen people suggest Genesis as a proto metal band on other forums on the basis of that one song...
 
Can't really consider Morse - he's a bit late in the day for proto, while Crimson aren't (do you see what I did there? LOL).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 5:15am
Has King Crimson released an entire album which is hard rocking og metallish? (I've heard talk of Thrak being such an album, which I actually haven't heard myself).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 7:47am
Originally posted by Time Signature Time Signature wrote:

Has King Crimson released an entire album which is hard rocking og metallish? (I've heard talk of Thrak being such an album, which I actually haven't heard myself).
RED is definitly a metal album.
 
Thrak and Power to Believe COULD be classified as such, specially the latter, but the one album that really makes a point for KC is Red and classify them as a metal band would be an unecessary strech of concepts IMO. It is better to leave them out of MMA.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 9:43am
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Time Signature Time Signature wrote:

Has King Crimson released an entire album which is hard rocking og metallish? (I've heard talk of Thrak being such an album, which I actually haven't heard myself).
RED is definitly a metal album.
 
Thrak and Power to Believe COULD be classified as such, specially the latter, but the one album that really makes a point for KC is Red and classify them as a metal band would be an unecessary strech of concepts IMO. It is better to leave them out of MMA.
 

Aren't you contradicting yourself there a bit, or don't you buy the MMA guideline of adding bands who have at least one definite metal album?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 10:09am
Yeah, that is quite a contradiction. Caio, we can add bands who have only one definite metal album. The question with KC is if they ever actually released a full-blown metal album. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 10:52am
If  I'm not mistaken, I think Forbidden also covered "21st Centiry Schizoid Man"...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 11:19am
Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Yeah, that is quite a contradiction. Caio, we can add bands who have only one definite metal album. The question with KC is if they ever actually released a full-blown metal album. 
 
I think that since KC have consistently dabbled and returned to the heaviest end of the spectrum that they're probably worth considering, full album or not - you could probably make a very decent and quite long album out of KC's metal and proto metal pieces.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 11:39am
IMO, if we can consider Blue Cheer in the Proto-Metal category, then surely we can include King Crimson...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 11:43am
Originally posted by Pelata Pelata wrote:

If  I'm not mistaken, I think Forbidden also covered "21st Centiry Schizoid Man"...
 
...and Voivod
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