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DippoMagoo
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^So basically, it sounds a lot like the beginning of Arrow except somehow even worse. I'm sure I'll just that one, then
My plan for now, is to watch the next two in the sequence, because they have most potential to be my favorites (and yes, I do know Luke Cage is introduced in Jessica Jones, which I'm guessing is why they must be watched in that order) and then if I like those, I'll attempt to suffer through Daredevil 2. If I somehow get through that one, I'll be 5 episodes past the halfway point, which would be a good time for a brief break before the real trial of Iron Fist and The Defenders, so that's when I'll watch Altered Carbon and maybe something else. At least with that one, I know for sure it's not a superhero series in any way, so I should be good to go, plus it's apparently Sci-Fi with some sort of mystery to it, which should be right up my alley.
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adg211288
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Iron Fist as the name implies is his 'superhero' name and as such that he is Iron Fist isn't public knowledge though he can be quite loose lipped about it. I didn't have an issue with the series overall the way some did but the tone is altogether more fantastical compared to the other shows (which carries over to The Defenders which is basically an extension of Iron Fist's first season and Daredevil's second even if all four characters are in it), even though on Netflix it's branded with an 18 age restriction whereas Jessica Jones and Luke Cage both only earned 15's in spite of their themes being a lot more gritty and mature.
But as far as in-fighting between good guys goes, you're not going to be happy with Iron Fist because there's a lot of that in that one right from the get-go, with characters changing allegiance or betraying Iron Fist at different times. It makes sense at first because the whole plot involves around Iron Fist returning to reclaim his father's company after supposedly being dead for years and no ones believes him, but the whole theme of shifting alliances continues throughout the whole season and one particular reveal regarding a character's allegiance is very cliche which I expect may bother you given your views of these kind of shows right now. I don't know how The Defenders affects Jessica Jones season 2 yet but you can comfortably watch her first season and the first Luke Cage without having much effect on anything else. The Punisher needs Daredevil s2 though and Luke Cage 2 whenever it drops will definitely be affected by The Defenders due to one of its core characters...actually I can't say more than that without spoilers, but something happens to them in The Defenders that will be noticeable in Luke Cage 2.
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DippoMagoo
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Yeah, at this point I'm hoping the lack of a secret identify for Jessica Jones and Luke Cage will help make them more manageable. I believe Iron Fist is the same way, right? That one just looked more comedic, based on trailers, which could be hit or miss for me. Honestly, though, the CW shows have made me completely sick of plot lines revolving around character lying about secret identities or jobs or something and having them spend half the time fighting each other instead of doing anything else, so that's pretty much what's ruining Daredevil for me.
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adg211288
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I think you are definitely burnt out on superheros, Travis. Though I don't think Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and especially The Punisher really feel like superhero shows despite the fact that Jones and Cage actually have powers (The Punisher is simply a hard bastard, as my late granddad would have called him).
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DippoMagoo
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Well, I only have two episodes left for season 1, which I'll finish tonight, but I definitely think this series is massively overrated. It has a lot of the flaws I was constantly bringing up with Arrow/Flash, and episode 10 was absolutely abysmal, to the point where I almost just switched it off and called it quits there. The main plot of that episode, though, is the kind of thing where it makes me wonder how the hell the writers could have possibly thought anyone would be entertained by it, because it was just so repetitive and boring. Obviously, it doesn't help that I've seen other shows do the same thing a million times over, so I was just bored out of my mind while watching it. Once again, if Wilson Fisk wasn't there to keep things interesting, I would have given up on it. Episode 11 was better, and that ending scene was fantastic, but I still can't say I have hopes for the end of the season.
At this point, if I don't like Jessica Jones, I may as well not even bother with the rest, because it seems obvious my superhero burnout is very real. The trailers look interesting enough that I definitely will give it a shot, though, and then I'll decide on the rest depending on how that goes. I think season 2 of Daredevil will be extremely hard for me to sit through, though.
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DippoMagoo
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I am interested to see The Punisher, and that will give me an idea of what to expect from his show. I guess I'm just really not finding Matt to be an interesting character at all, so far. At least I get Jessica Jones in between seasons for a break, and from the little I've heard about that one, I should like her character much more than Matt. Than again, just about anything would be more interesting than him, tbh. I've heard most people say the Iron Fist character is worse, but I really can't imagine how that's possible.
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adg211288
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I actually liked season 2 and the Punisher storyline more.
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DippoMagoo
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9 episodes in now, and still going back and forth on whether or not I actually like it. I definitely find Wilson Fisk infinitely more interesting and entertaining than any of the supposed main characters, which is obviously a massive problem. I can't imagine how I'll get through season 2, knowing he won't be back.
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DippoMagoo
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Daredevil hit a bit of a speed bump for me last night, to the point where I almost switched it off midway through episode 5. I'm still generally liking it enough to keep going, but it really isn't any better than the CW shows were at their best, imo, possibly worse, though at least so far it hasn't been as bad as those shows had been lately. My main problem is, the villains somehow seem more developed than the main character, like I can understand their plans and motivations very clearly, while some things Matt does seem random, with no set up whatsoever. That's one thing the CW shows definitely do much better.
I also found episode 5 to be an absolute drag to sit through overall, because it's one of those lame set up episodes where it's so damn predictable, I literally could have skipped the whole thing and knew exactly what had happened. I get why those episodes need to exist, but that sure as hell doesn't make them any more enjoyable to watch. 6 was at least much better, though, so I'll stick it out for now. I'm beginning to fear I'm just burned out on superheroes in general, though. Maybe the others will go better, since I don't think they'll have the whole "secret identity" thing I'm finding to be overly played out and annoying.
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Finally finished watching the first five seasons of Orange is the New Black. I enjoyed the show greatly.
Now watching Mindhunter. Nice slow Building sinister atmosphere in this one. I´m enjoying this show.
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DippoMagoo
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I watched the first two episodes of Daredevil again last night. I debated re-watching them or skipping to episode 3, but I'm glad I did watch them again, because while I remember his father's backstory, Karen Page and the end of episode 2, I completely forgot some things, like Foggy Nelson (I just totally forgot he existed, despite the fact that him and Karen spend most of episode 2 together, lol) as well as a character who I think is this "Night Nurse" Chris mentions. I'm about to watch two or three more episodes now. So far I'm liking it, though, honestly, it's up there with Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and The Punisher as the shows I was feeling more confident about in the first place.
And yes, I did already hear that The Punisher himself is introduced in season 2 of Daredevil, so that will give me a better idea of what to expect from his series, I'm sure. Edited by DippoMagoo - 12 Mar 2018 at 8:25pm |
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Bosh66
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The character in the comics is known as the night nurse (played by Rosario Dawson on Netflix although they don't refer to her as such).
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adg211288
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Chris is right on the official order.
There's one character in particular that crosses over between most of the shows (she only had a minor role in Jessica Jones S1 and didn't appear in The Punisher at all) so because of her storyline they really need to be watched in order, though you could get away with watching Jessica Jones S1 before Daredevil S1 because the only way those connect is minor references to events. This is what must be watched in order: Jessica Jones S1 > Luke Cage Daredevil S2 > The Punisher
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Bosh66
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You can skip a series, but not really an episode.
There's a chronology to them too. If I recall, it's something like Daredevil S1, Jessica Jones S1, Daredevil S2, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Defenders, The Punisher, Jessica Jones S2. You can watch out of sequence, but characters are introduced that cross shows and references made to other series, so if you do like the shows, you're best to watch in order.
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DippoMagoo
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In the (extremely likely) event that I do dislike one of the shows, would it be possible to just skip them, or am I pretty much done in that case? Because it would kinda suck to start getting into the shows, only to drop them as soon as one show proves to be unwatchable.
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Bosh66
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I actually enjoyed Iron Fist although it was disappointingly a little one-dimensional. Defenders had some good one-liners too.
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DippoMagoo
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Yeah, I kinda figured there was a lot more to it than what I had heard. That just sounded so hilarious, though. Thankfully, I know nothing else about it, so without any context it doesn't really mean much to me, anyway. Hopefully I can at least get that far to see what the big deal is, though in general the consensus seems to be that the shows go downhill big time starting with Iron Fist, then don't recover until The Punisher and then Jessica Jones 2 seems to be getting a good reception, but not as good as the first season.
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adg211288
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That's exaggerating what happens a bit and leaves out the fact that the antagonists were going to destroy the city anyway. Sorry if that's a spoiler but you seem to have an idea how it ends anyway.
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DippoMagoo
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Yeah, I figured that as well. So basically just like an HBO series, then. Or Stranger Things, or probably most Netflix dramas. Which again, if I like the actual over arching plot, that could be a good thing, but if the plot drags at all on any season, my enjoyment will quickly slip off and there will be nothing to save it for me. I saw a spoiler for JJ season 2 but it sounded awesome, so I at least feel good about that one. The only other one I know much about is the finale of The Defenders, which sounds awful but it could be good comedy, I guess (basically, I heard their plan for saving a city was literally to just blow part of it up, lmao!)
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adg211288
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The main difference is that each season is one story that follows on with each episode with none of the self-contained mini-storylines or villain of the week lark you get in regular, weekly TV shows.
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