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m@x ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Co-founder, Admin & Webmaster Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Québec, Canada Status: Offline Points: 947 |
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I just moved SOUNDGARDEN to Traditional Heavy Metal, and added ALICE IN CHAINS in that same subgenre too. Historically, regarding their metal roots, it's a better fit. Also please note that MMA artist genre is ALBUM-BASED. As time goes by, genre of artists will evolve based on re-classification of the albums by admins, collabs. and member suggestion. ![]() |
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Raff ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1006 |
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Wonderful! Now everyone can start suggesting all the most outrageous subgenres, and people - instead of complaining - will be overjoyed, and compete in suggesting even more
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micky ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Status: Offline Points: 378 |
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I don't think think either really fits... 'doom metal'. reading all the responses... personally I think some sort of alternative (as in music) metal would be a nice addition here. The definition? Wiki might be a good place to start.. Alternative metal is a genre of heavy metal that gained popularity in the early 1990s. Most notably, alternative metal bands are characterized by heavy guitar riffs; typically, these riffs have a pronounced experimental edge, including unconventional lyrics, odd time signatures, more syncopation than typical metal, unusual technique, a resistance to conventional approaches to heavy music and an incorporation of a wide range of influences outside of the metal music scene.[1] The term is used as a very loose categorization, but is usually used to describe artists playing a style of heavy metal music with an "alternative" approach. Many bands categorized as "alternative metal" are equally influenced by alternative rock and heavy metal. Initially alternative metal appealed mainly to alternative rock fans since virtually all 80s alt-metal bands had their roots in the American rock underground scene. Alt-metal bands commonly emerged from hardcore punk (Corrosion of Conformity), post-punk/noise rock (Helmet, The Jesus Lizard), grunge (Alice in Chains, Soundgarden), or industrial (Ministry, Nine Inch Nails).[citation needed] These bands never formed a distinct movement or scene; rather they were bound by their incorporation of traditional metal influences and openness to experimenting with the form. For example, Jane's Addiction utilized performance art and a bohemian aesthetic, Corrosion of Conformity, The Melvins and the recently reformed grunge band Soundgarden had a fondness for subverting '70s metal, and Faith No More, along with Living Colour, injected funk and hip hop into their brand of alternative metal, [2] while Primus incorporates an obscure Residents-esque touch. The grunge movement of the early 1990s helped increase the audience for such bands, and these artists were as comfortable playing to alternative rock fans on various Lollapalooza line-ups (itself founded by Jane's Addiction frontman Perry Farrell) as they were opening for metal bands like Metallica. With the changing of the musical landscape by the popular breakthrough of alternative rock, "alternative metal" became a new phrase used to describe bands in the early 1990s who managed to make relevant era music that was "heavy without necessarily being metal".[3] New bands emerged in this era with their distinctive takes on metal: Nine Inch Nails and Ministry started the industrial wave, combining punk-influenced electronic music and heavy guitars, System of a Down and Tool immersed themselves in progressive rock influences, Rage Against the Machine was as informed by hip hop and post-punk agitprop such as Gang of Four as it was by metal, and Helmet molded a background in jazz and noise-rock/post-hardcore influences into a highly influential strand of intense rock music. As the 90s progressed, alternative metal's sound became more standardized as newer bands drew inspiration for the same collective set of influences that included Rage Against the Machine, Tool[4], Korn, Deftones, Faith No More, Fear Factory, Nine Inch Nails, Primus and Helmet. Korn, in particular, with its downtuned riffs and aggressive dissonance, created the sonic template for a new movement, which became known as nu metal. Many post-grunge bands like Alter Bridge, Hurt, 30 Seconds to Mars, Papa Roach, Hoobastank, Three Days Grace, Nickelback, Creed, Linkin Park, and Breaking Benjamin are known to be influenced by alternative metal. |
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micky ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Status: Offline Points: 378 |
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Pekka ![]() MMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: 26 Mar 2010 Location: Helsinki Status: Offline Points: 1366 |
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Whoa, I've never thought those bands could be even close to doom metal. To me that word means the e x t r e m e l y s l o w sorrow marches of Reverend Bizarre and the storm outbreak of Sabbath's title track. As far as I know Soundgarden, there is a tiny bit of doominess I guess, but I hear none of that in AiC.
Am I becoming a genre w**ker?
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DeathOfSeasons ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Mar 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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Really? I do not here any Doom Metal at all in Alice in Chains or Soundgarden.
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Balthamel ![]() MMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: 26 Mar 2010 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 1336 |
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and congrats Micky, now a Groupie
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Balthamel ![]() MMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: 26 Mar 2010 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 1336 |
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well Soudgarden is here, they are listed as Doom metal, and im quite pleased by that.
I think it suits them better and they fitt the describtion for Doom metal so maybe Alice in Chains also cold be Doom metal |
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Pekka ![]() MMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: 26 Mar 2010 Location: Helsinki Status: Offline Points: 1366 |
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I'm going to quote myself from this thread: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65
There's a very good article on alternative metal in Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_metal It very well puts to words the idea I've had of the genre all along, so I think we could replace Nu-Metal with Alternative Metal and include the Nu field in it along with all these other bands. |
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jampa17 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Guatemala Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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Like Soundgarden or some like that...
Well, there are bands that plays very loud that fits great in the Alternative definition, but that can be considered metal for their heaviness... I guess those bands exists... You know... Godsmack and Disturbed are bands that fit with that definition... right?
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micky ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Status: Offline Points: 378 |
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thoughts.... possible definitions... does such a thing exist?
for those that missed it.... came up while discussing Alice in Chains.. and others of the ilk and time period not added here. |
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