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siLLy puPPy
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Usually i'm the one playing devil's advocate but not this time Here in the US - WAAAY too many people have been wrongly executed only to be proven innocent by DNA testing after the fact. There are many families of victims who have actively tried to stop the death penalty from occurring because of their religious beliefs to no avail because the state has made a business out of death. Personally i have fortunately never experienced anything horrendous of the sort but i am of the mind set that revenge never makes anything better. I saw a really good documentary a few years ago about the different prison systems of the world and in the countries that actually engage in rehabilitative practices and teach the miscreants how to interact with society actually have the lowest crime rates in the world. Scandinavian countries were some of the best but Japan was an interesting case too because they started out very lenient and gave the person a chance but if they blew it they did the worst. Also according to statistics states or countries with the death penalty show that it does nothing for prevention of terrible crimes. |
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Colt
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Least of her worries I would have said! |
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Bosh66
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Women of high standing though were usually beheaded, so as to preserve their modesty
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Colt
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Interestingly, the death penalty for treason in England was only abolished in 1998.
700 years ago the penalty here in England was to be hanged, drawn and quartered. Convicts were fastened to a hurdle, or wooden panel, and drawn by horse to the place of execution, where they were hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated, disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces). Their remains were often displayed in prominent places across the country, such as London Bridge. For reasons of public decency, women convicted of high treason were instead burned at the stake. Source: Wikipedia |
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Triceratopsoil
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This is true. If there were to be death penalty I wouldn't support any option more expensive than a bullet. I still think the entire practice is barbaric and wrong. |
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bartosso
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If any of us have experienced something like that or not shouldn't matter. We're not punishing these people for revenge, are we ? If you want revenge, kill the murderer yourself and face the consequences. And no, none of my friends or family members were murdered so I can't say for sure how I would react. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want the penal system to do the dirty work for me. Besides, if someone kills another person, than there's something wrong with him. These people should be isolated from society and rehabilitated/treated. Hating them makes least sense of all options available. But again, I have no means to know how I would react. I can just hope that I'd stand by my ideals.
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Colt
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Can I just reiterate, I sit on the fence with this but the debate is very one-sided and I'm being a bit of a devils advocate here. I'd like to know how many people, who are totally against the penalty of death, have experienced first hand an abhorrent crime against someone very close to them?
"If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call." John McAdams - Marquette University/Department of Political Science, on deterrence |
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Colt
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That's down to the way the penalty is managed. With Scott's example, where there is no doubt whatsoever, that would not apply. |
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Colt
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I agree. However, it would be nice to see those that prey on the weak and defenceless have the tables turned on them for once. |
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Colt
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Answer: Happy with that but not paying for their upkeep. Do I let the appropriate governments know you're happy to pay for them all? |
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ProgMetaller2112
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Good point
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bartosso
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It definitely does, taking freedom is in a way harsher than taking life. I remember however how people were shocked by how short the sentence for Breivik was. It seems in Norway it's not about punishment but rather about rehabilitating the convict, which is a good thing in my opinion. I can't see how they want to fix this fucker, though.
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siLLy puPPy
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Too many cases of innocents being convicted, law enforcement misconduct and the like. How can a society say killing is wrong and then kill? Prison sounds like a worse punishment any ways
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ProgMetaller2112
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"Before you see the light you must die!!!!!!!!!!" - Slayer
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Triceratopsoil
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Costs more money than imprisonment for life and has a chance of killing innocent people. Even if I were a bloodthirsty neocon piece of shit I couldn't support it.
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A Person
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I can't think of any reason why I would support the death penalty personally.
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Unitron
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Agreed This is basically how I feel.
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rushfan4
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There are definitely different levels:
To me, a monster who walks into a school or shopping mall, etc. and starts opening fire indiscriminately who is caught in the act and lives to tell about it deserves the death penalty. Situations like this where there is no doubt who the perpetrator is I don't really have a problem with the death penalty. The exception to this situation might be the case where there is no doubt the person did it but they did it because someone had kidnapped their child and would kill them unless they committed this atrocity. I would probably still give them a life sentence though because despite the unenviable situation it still isn't an excuse to kill other innocent people. On the other hand, situations where a body is found and there are no eyewitnesses and the suspect is someone who is convicted based on circumstantial evidence, if the suspect vehemently denies committing the crime but is convicted anyways, I am more likely to error on the side of caution and that person away for life. - The majority of murders probably fall into this category. |
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ProgMetaller2112
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By the way, I voted against the death penalty
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - 17 Oct 2014 at 3:10pm |
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Bosh66
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If someone "hurt" one of mine, I know damn well I'd hunt them down, and take the punishment coming. Which is why we place justice out of the hands of the man in the street and serve it dispassionately. |
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