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Poll Question: Which of these genres has the fewest metal elements?
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Who (and why) voted for Black Metal? LOL

Tough question, because how valid is the judgment of past bands on the heaviness of today's bands? Dunno. Based on this reasoning I would have chosen classic heavy metal (70s stuff), but I'm not familiar with Glam, which seems to be the obvious choice according to the votes here, so I won't vote.

RE "alternative metal", I don't know what exactly this referrs to as a genre, but I do hear the typical instrumental sound of alternative rock in a lot of metal bands.
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Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

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"There's no disputing taste" ? Wink At least, I think that's what it translates to... LOL
 
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Originally posted by Colt Colt wrote:

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"There's no disputing taste" ? Wink At least, I think that's what it translates to... LOL
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Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

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If you think about it, Glam Metal is probably one of THE MOST metal on that list - Glam did most of the defining of what metal is.
 
A metal band in the 1970s/80s wasn't complete without some eyeliner and spandex - I'm thinking Ozzy, Maiden, Def Leppard, Saxon et al - Motorhead were an exception that smashed the rules.
 
Even Venom wore makeup - and their stage show was outrageously theatrical, in the same school as Glam, even if with a different intent. Like most (dare I say other) Glam bands, Venom couldn't play very well, and the stage show was a great way of taking attention away from that fact.
 
Most of the Doom Metal I've heard sounds like 1970s Hard Rock - not very metal, so I'll probably vote that once I've considered the other genres a bit - Alternative Metal? What's that? An Alternative to Metal?
 
 


Maybe glam metal is the most defining to the general public - but does that mean it's the most metal?

Not that I disagree with you - albums like Appetite For Destruction, Van Halen, Destroyer, etc., etc. defined heavy metal for many people. But when you actually think about what is metal and what isn't, many glam bands with their commercial attitude and imagery don't always fit into that mold. Metal isn't always about popstar imagery and record sales - one would question that if metal was just based on glam bands.

As previously mentioned, a lot of glam metal is often "just 80's rock". Very heavy rock, but "metal" is a bit of a stretch for some of the bands in question.

Again, I don't disagree with you. Metalcore has the same issue to me related to its commercial and popstar imagery - when it comes to a metal attitude, at least, glam is probably at the bottom of my list.
 
Maybe not - I'm as guilty as anyone of exaggerating for effect, but I would point out the following (deliberately skewed!) historical facts;
 
1. There has been a shift to "honesty" in the music, largely brought about during the NWoBHM, when bands simply made the music they wanted, under their own steam. The precedent for this can be seen in The Sweet, who constantly pushed away from songwriters Chinn/Chapman to write their own material, and become less of a "puppet" band, which they indisputably were in their early days (like many mid-late 1960s pop groups, it should be pointed out).
 
2. The most noticeable shift from "vanilla" hard rock can be seen around 1974, in Queen's "Stone Cold Crazy" and A few pieces by The Sweet - notably "Set Me Free", and other songs from "Fanny Adams" onwards, which are more uptempo, energetic - and straight up metallic. I'm still digging through piles of proto metal albums, and nothing yet compares to those two songs as representing a sea-change from hard rock to metal, excluding Black Sabbath and their imitators (or the bands Sabbath imitated) - which represents the darkest side of metal, and is in itself not wholly representative of the entire genre - as disparate as it is.
 
3. In terms of attitude again, look no further than Queen and The Sweet in the early 1970s - the whole posturing thing is right there. Kiss were directly inspired, as were Quiet Riot - although QR differed in two aspects; 1) Randy Rhodes and 2) they were rubbish at songwriting.
 
4. Don't be fooled by the outward imagery - the music can be far more revealing than the band's commercially tailored appearance - and it's a fact that some found The Sweet's image too outrageous to take at the time, so it didn't have as wide appeal as you might think; The song Ballroom Blitz was written after they got seriously bottled off stage at a gig in Scotland, and contains some quite violent imagery; "The band started leaving, 'coz they all stopped breathing" (IIRC).
 
...OK, so I probably don't mean Glam as a genre - but I think that bands within that genre get unfairly tarred with the same brush - there is utter nonsense in Glam, and it probably deserves all the knocking it gets, but later bands like Girl are well worth checking out as a different side of metal in the 1980s.
 
When I think of Metalcore, I think of something extreme that I probably wouldn't like - and hence not representative of the music I grew up with (which is troo metal to me), so prejudice exists everywhere!
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

If you think about it, Glam Metal is probably one of THE MOST metal on that list - Glam did most of the defining of what metal is.
 
A metal band in the 1970s/80s wasn't complete without some eyeliner and spandex - I'm thinking Ozzy, Maiden, Def Leppard, Saxon et al - Motorhead were an exception that smashed the rules.
 
Even Venom wore makeup - and their stage show was outrageously theatrical, in the same school as Glam, even if with a different intent. Like most (dare I say other) Glam bands, Venom couldn't play very well, and the stage show was a great way of taking attention away from that fact.
 
Most of the Doom Metal I've heard sounds like 1970s Hard Rock - not very metal, so I'll probably vote that once I've considered the other genres a bit - Alternative Metal? What's that? An Alternative to Metal?
 
 


Maybe glam metal is the most defining to the general public - but does that mean it's the most metal?

Not that I disagree with you - albums like Appetite For Destruction, Van Halen, Destroyer, etc., etc. defined heavy metal for many people. But when you actually think about what is metal and what isn't, many glam bands with their commercial attitude and imagery don't always fit into that mold. Metal isn't always about popstar imagery and record sales - one would question that if metal was just based on glam bands.

As previously mentioned, a lot of glam metal is often "just 80's rock". Very heavy rock, but "metal" is a bit of a stretch for some of the bands in question.

Again, I don't disagree with you. Metalcore has the same issue to me related to its commercial and popstar imagery - when it comes to a metal attitude, at least, glam is probably at the bottom of my list.
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Opeth is the best band on Earth.

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Glam metal!
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If you think about it, Glam Metal is probably one of THE MOST metal on that list - Glam did most of the defining of what metal is. 


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If you think about it, Glam Metal is probably one of THE MOST metal on that list - Glam did most of the defining of what metal is.
 
A metal band in the 1970s/80s wasn't complete without some eyeliner and spandex - I'm thinking Ozzy, Maiden, Def Leppard, Saxon et al - Motorhead were an exception that smashed the rules.
 
Even Venom wore makeup - and their stage show was outrageously theatrical, in the same school as Glam, even if with a different intent. Like most (dare I say other) Glam bands, Venom couldn't play very well, and the stage show was a great way of taking attention away from that fact.
 
Most of the Doom Metal I've heard sounds like 1970s Hard Rock - not very metal, so I'll probably vote that once I've considered the other genres a bit - Alternative Metal? What's that? An Alternative to Metal?
 
 
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There are parts of it that are metal, but for the most part I agree.


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definitely glam metal. Glam metal isn't metal, it's 80s rock.
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