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The Epic Saga Continues:


What a clear agenda statement from this dev - how do they know the game sold because it's on the Epic Store if they've added their middle finger to the growing pile aimed at Steam?

Also, Epic just threw down the gauntlet to Valve big time by outright saying that they'd stop all exclusives and even consider releasing their own games on Steam if Valve changes to an 88% revenue split.

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Pitchford should really put his money where is mouth is and make the game available on Epic, Steam and DRM free on GOG and see what happens. 

I've read his comments. His vision of PC gaming in ten years looks to be Epic, a bunch of yet to be founded stores, and Steam dead or on the outs. I'm not sure why he's so ready to dig the grave of the store that has sold his games for years and still has a very active player base today even though Borderlands 2, to use the most popular example, is seven years old this year. But I digress, he's promoting a PC gaming experience where we'd need 20+ launchers before we had every game we wanted. 

No thanks. I'll go back to console first. 
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I'm just sick of devs and publishers trying to to tell their fans that they did this shit for us. Who exactly are they trying to fucking kid here? They did this for their wallets, nothing more, nothing less. 

This time last year I may have considered myself a minor PC gaming enthusiast, but I am so fucked off with the industry right now that I just have zero hype for any new game anymore, because Epic is now making us live in dread of the words 'Epic Store Exclusive' popping up just as hype for a game is started to build up. And if anything my animosity toward them is worse because I allowed myself to be duped into getting Metro Exodus for full price just to have it on Steam as I did not want to have to wait a whole year to play it and it ended up being a disappointment. I did actually enjoy playing Exodus but all the behind the scenes garbage and the fact that it was not long enough to warrant a £50 price tag and did have severe performance issues has really soured my opinion of it. I'd have been happy at £30, which will now be the most I ever pay for a new game that doesn't include DLC in the price. Even if it's Elder Scrolls VI. Perhaps especially if it's Elder Scrolls VI, because Bethesda hasn't exactly endeared itself with me since the Creation Club became a thing. Pain in the arse in Fallout 4 and I don't even use the bloody thing!

But yeah, even though I've been replaying Borderlands 1 in the new enhanced version and still loving it (despite some of the obvious flaws NOT being fixed), the Epic Store and Pitchford between them have caused all my hype for the game to evaporate. Same goes for The Outer Worlds, which as a new IP I'm 99% guaranteed to have forgotten about by the time they deign to release it to us second rate Steam players. Walking Dead's final season being moved to the Epic Store as well has resulted in me having no interest in finishing the previous one. Is that one even coming back to Steam? Or is it forever in the hands of those gits at Epic?

I now have zero upcoming games on the radar that I have any real interest in. Rage 2 maybe, but even though it up for pre-order on Steam (still time for Epic to swoop in) I've lost all interest in that as well. I am totally disillusioned with the whole industry right now. 
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So Prickford (not a typo) logic 101 is basically: 'monopolies are bad, so I'll help break it by creating a different monopoly instead of fighting monopoly properly by making my game available on both stores.'

And I do blame this twat, because he's gone from saying 'don't blame me' to admitting he may have tried to influence the decision. Proves he's a bloody liar to start with.

But he at least had the guts to admit that Epic threw Fornight cash at them, which is more than anyone else. That's literally his only redeeming thing right now.
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Honestly I'm starting to feel tempted to never support Borderlands 3 because Randy Pitchford is being such a epic arsehole and seems to have already got Steam's grave dug based on his latest comments and the way he's been blathering on about how competition is best for us, the players without realising that's it's not competition if his game is only on one store. He also seems to think that stabbing his game's fanbase in the back is going to be the best thing to happen to the whole gaming industry in years. 
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Latest Epic Store news: no forums - ever. 

Cue everyone looking for Borderlands 3 support in the existing forums for the earlier games on Steam. 
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Randy Pitchford has been pro-Epic since before the store was even open so he's bound to use any excuse to validate Borderlands 3 not being on the biggest PC gaming store, while in another breath he'll be blaming the whole thing on his publisher. 

The Epic Store oddly reminds me of this kid I knew in school called James (I wouldn't usually use someone's real name in such a story but since it's a common name and I can't for the life of me remember his surname I guess it's okay and I can't be arsed to think of a fake name for him). Like the Epic Store, James was the 'new kid' in town who didn't have any friends, but did have parents with money, much like Epic has Tencent behind it. 

What Epic and James have in common is that they both threw a lot of money around in an effort to buy friends. Where Epic is doing business by cutting rates and paying publishers for exclusives, James made a show of having £20 for school lunch money not just every week, but every single day. £100 per week when in those days you could get a hot school lunch plus drink for around £2 a day. He used this money to gain influence among his fellow pupils by spending most of it on them. He bought his 'friends', same as Epic is buying friends right now. 

Thing is, once James felt he had the friends of choice he wanted, he stopped throwing so much money around. This is also much like Epic, which has already gone on record saying it won't be doing business like it has been forever. Which means people like Randy Pitchford may be surprised when Gearbox has it's next game and find that Epic isn't going to throw so much cash around again. He may change his tune about Steam then, once the playing field has levelled again, much like James' so called friends changed their tune when his money stopped flowing. James did not ultimately stay at my school for very long as his parents moved around a lot, but when he left he had no friends left to miss him. Of course it did not help that James was actually a bit of a twat - the kind that let money go to his head - but that kind of attitude seems to have parallels to Epic as well to my thinking. 

Morale of this story: you can't buy friendship. Or loyalty. Epic is going to have to throw large amounts of cash at publishers and developers forever now it has set a precedent for doing so, or it will lose what loyalty it has purchased. Publishers aren't going to release on their lesser platform without that cash incentive. They're dumb for ignoring their fanbases as it is, but they'll soon realise it when Epic isn't any more attractive than Steam or any other store. Likewise, even though review bombing is not the way to go (though Exodus players actually did it reasonably okay by actually leaving positive reviews along with dissatisfaction over the Epic Store), Steam players are only acting the way they are because unlike Epic, Steam has actually earned it's brand loyalty. A little thing Randy Pitchford and those like him tend to forget when they're seeing $£$£$£$.

As a final note, I had nothing against James at the time or now. I actually think he was a pretty lonely kid due to moving around a lot, so he likely acted the way he did because it was a quick way to get company for the time he was in one place. In truth, I felt sorry for him. However my friend group were not among the ones he attempted to buy (apparently we weren't deemed cool enough - in those days cool being synonymous with 'disruptive influence') and our attempts to genuinely befriend him were rudely rebuffed. 


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Both sides are in the wrong, imo. The review bombing is certainly ridiculous, but Randy Bitchford is coming off as a real prick as well, insulting fans for daring to call them out for selling out to Epic, and then apparently somewhere he must have threatened to never release games on Steam again, which would only make things even worse. This whole issue could have been avoided by just releasing the games on Epic AND Steam, but, nope, they were too greedy to do that, and I kinda think they deserve the backlash, even if review bombing is the wrong way to do it.
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So even though Valve has introduced a system to combat them, review bombers have now officially harmed the case for Borderlands 3 and future Gearbox games on Steam. Fucking twats are as bad as Epic themselves. 
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The dumb thing with all this business with Epic is that if all these games were on both stores and Epic genuinely offered some kind of benefit to the actual buyer rather than the bullshit exclusive period thing they've been doing (which just makes me feel hostile toward them) I don't think I'd be so attached to having the game on Steam and might look at them as an viable alternative. 

There are some genuine concerns over the security of the Epic platform which steer me away from them, but I'm most pissed about the removal of choice. 


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Epic Arseholes latest promise: 'we'll continue to sign exclusives, even if they're already on/been announced for Steam'.

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I had a quick look at the remaster. Honestly with the series graphic style I don't see much different in those but the main change is a better HUD, there are now golden keys and it can run with higher FPS. The original is oddly synced to 62 which resulted in unavoidable screen tearing on my old monitor. I have a 144Hz now, and what I played has mostly run at that rate. 
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Indeed. We all know the petition won't succeed due to legal reasons as contracts will have been signed between 2K and Epic but we can at least make a show that we, the consumers, are not happy with the decision. 
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Yeah, it's nice that owners of the original get the free upgrade. I never had the PC version, so I'll probably just get it on PS4 next month, when I have money for it. I get a free 4K patch for the Handsome Collection on PS4, but I don't have a 4K TV, so that would be useless to me LOL

And predictably, the other Borderlands games are getting review bombed, since the Epic Fail announcement. Can't say I blame people, but I think shitting on already existing, very good games, just to spite the publisher, is a bad move, personally. There's got to be a better way to protest the decision, like signing those petitions, for example. 


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In better Borderlands news, they've just released an enhanced edition of the original game which is free to owners of the original. Plus the other two have also received 4K support.
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I'm not sure I''ll sign either petition, not because I disagree, because I certainly do, but it probably would be a bit hypocritical, since I do plan on getting it on my main platform at launch (PS4, of course.) Probably even getting the season pass, since it'll have four story DLC's, just like BL2. That is pure bullshit, though, and I definitely think people need to stop buying from Epic Fail Games, because if they end up getting the PC monopoly they clearly want, that would only be a terrible thing. Winning purely through buying out the competition is fucking bullshit Angry
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Different petition, gaining more traction. Signed both anyway. 

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I read a comment somewhere (didn't verify the source) that Epic's better revenue split isn't given unless they sign on for an exclusivity period. I don't know how true that is or if someone was just shit-stirring but I really wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. 
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Really wondering what the fuck is wrong with just putting it on both stores and others and letting the actual customers do the talking about where they want to buy their games. Exclusives just pressure people who want to support the actual developer by paying full at launch price to buy from one store. It removes the freedom of choice. So I'll exercise what freedom remains to me and withhold my money until they have a complete edition on Steam.
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