Neal Morse (Prog metal)
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Topic: Neal Morse (Prog metal)
Posted By: Andyman1125
Subject: Neal Morse (Prog metal)
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2011 at 7:16pm
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The ex-lead singer of Spock's Beard and lead singer of Transatlantic has released both prog metal albums and christian rock albums (going along with his born again christain faith). ------------- http://bit.ly/kZR7BC" rel="nofollow">  http://andywebb.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - My Bandcamp
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2011 at 7:39pm
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Oh boy... this is a toughie... I considered discussing this a week ago when I listened to Sola Scriptura - basically a full-fledged prog metal album IMO. If we were to add him to MMA, I would only tag ?, Sola Scriptura, and maybe One as progressive metal, and the rest as non-metal. If we have Porcupine Tree in a similar situation, I think Neal Morse deserves the same treatment. ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2011 at 7:41pm
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Look at http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/cmx.aspx?ac=CMX" rel="nofollow - CMX ..... It's even worse there. I think Dinosaurus Stereophonicus is prog metal though, but still. ------------- http://bit.ly/kZR7BC" rel="nofollow"> http://andywebb.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - My Bandcamp
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 12:07am
The CMX tagging is still a work in progress, some of their albums might belong in a metal category after all. Talvikuningas was the clearest case, but I'm going to have to listen to for example Isohaara with a metal ear to see if it should be moved too. Perhaps even Dinosaurus Stereophonicus. How well do you know their output? Discopolis might actually have a chance at industrial... ------------- http://iamthreepeople.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow">  <- Click on this!
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andyman1125 wrote:Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 3:06am
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I support the addition of Neal Morse. The only album of his I'm really familiar with his Sola Scriptura, but that alone warrants his inclusion in my opinion. I've heard his others and although I'd have to listen to them again before I can really comment, I think that most if not all his 'prog rock' albums could be tagged as prog metal, from what I remember of them.
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 3:00pm
I agree with Sola Scriptura and ?. But, is that enough to put him in? |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 3:17pm
Yes. If a band has only one full-on metal album, we should add the artist with just that album (or albums) tagged as metal. The question is whether or not Neal Morse's metal-oriented albums are enough to warrant an inclusion here. I could see that addition taking a beating from a few metal purists, despite my support. ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 3:32pm
Considering he started out as just a prog musician, I can see some backlash here. "?", though, isn't really all metal, but merely half metal IMO. |
Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 3:39pm
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^ True, but I think it has enough of a metal taste to be called prog metal. ------------- http://bit.ly/kZR7BC" rel="nofollow"> http://andywebb.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - My Bandcamp
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 3:47pm
Exactly. If I were to describe Sola Scriptura, ?, or even One, I would label it as progressive rock/metal (just like modern Porcupine Tree and early Riverside IMO). I think this is something the admins should decide in the end. Neal has my support, though.  ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 3:49pm
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And mine, and personally I wouldn't worry about backlash from metal purists, there's many artists listed on MMA already that could give such people a field day. I doubt that Neal would be their high priority really. I agree though with an admin decision in this case. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 3:52pm
That's a good point. Hadn't thought of that. ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 7:33pm
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I've only heard One, but it's not remotely metal IMO |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 8:04pm
I'll have to put my vote forward too, I guess, being the Neal Morse fanboy I am  , and also I have to admit Sola Scriptura is pretty metal in spots.-------------  |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 8:17pm
You'll appreciate this story, Brian... For those unfamiliar with my father (Brian knows my dad personally), he is a HUGE Neal Morse fanboy. I asked him what he thought about this addition, just out of mere curiosity. Here's how the conversation went down... Me: "At MMA we're considering adding Neal Morse to prog metal... do you think that's warranted?" Dad: "Metal is a type of music, correct?" Me: "Yeah..." Dad: "Neal IS music. Music IS Neal Morse. Therefore, how can he not be any certain genre of music?" If that's not the response of a fanboy, I don't know what is.   ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 8:26pm
Listen to Sola Scriptura (part 1 of the first song played live in the first post), it's metal to the core ------------- http://bit.ly/kZR7BC" rel="nofollow"> http://andywebb.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - My Bandcamp
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 8:32pm
| No thanks, I HATE Neal Morse |
Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 8:33pm
Aaaaaaaalrighty then................  ------------- http://bit.ly/kZR7BC" rel="nofollow"> http://andywebb.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - My Bandcamp
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 8:36pm
Is it the entire religion thing, or the music in general? Sometimes his lyrics can really irk me, but I can always look past it for the great music (IMO).  ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 8:48pm
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I own most of Neal's prog albums nad I can say that only Sola Scriptura, the epic, is somewhere near metal. The rest of his rather extensive discography (15 studio albums listed on PA, but I guess there are more) is either progressive rock or gospel music, period. Adding him here taking Sola Scriptura as a basis is actively NOT considering the 14 other albums he released.
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Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 8:52pm
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I would call ? a metal album, also, although I've never heard One before. ------------- http://bit.ly/kZR7BC" rel="nofollow"> http://andywebb.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - My Bandcamp
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 9:00pm
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I can't see the metal on Question Mark. . .
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2011 at 10:10pm
Partly the lyrics, but mainly I like neither his voice, nor his songwriting, nor his guitar playing |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 3:59pm
^  Anyway, on another note, what CCVP said is partly true, but there is a little hint of metal in most of the songs. ------------- |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 6:57pm
| well "a little hint of metal" hardly makes him prog metal. Seeing as how there's no "metal related" category on this site (thank goodness), I think we should stick with the hundreds of thousands of bands that are indisputably metal, ya know? |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 7:07pm
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Yeah, I don't think he's metal at all and I'm a Neal Morse fan. ------------- http://bit.ly/vNlKf3" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 7:22pm
Yeah, that's called hard rock. -------------
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 2:06pm
"?" may be hard rock, leaning towards metal, but Sola Scriptura is definitely metal IMO. ------------- |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 3:18pm
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Something like this doesn't strike any of you as metal? ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 4:52pm
Probably because he's not very much of a guitar player. But that's beside the point, I won't argue with you Well all have opinions. But yes, Sola Scriptura is definitely metal. ------------- http://bit.ly/kZR7BC" rel="nofollow"> http://andywebb.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - My Bandcamp
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 6:23pm
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So as Jeff said before about Porcupine Tree, and how we added them even though only one or two of their albums are metal, why not do it with Neal Morse. Or something along those lines. ------------- |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 6:31pm
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^ I want to get admin approval before this... Something like this could be very controversial. I think I'll start something in the CZ.
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 6:32pm
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Good idea, I'll vote with you.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 8:38pm
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okay Jeff, that song is metal I'd say. Not prog metal, though, it sounds more like hair metal :P Even so, some of his albums definitely would be in the "non-metal" category |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 8:44pm
Absolutely. I would say to only tag ? and Sola Scriptura as prog metal... the rest is non-metal IMO. ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2011 at 5:34am
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You have three positive votes for inclusion Jeff.
I would say go ahead and add him but following the recent guideline. Ensure the Bio is well written to fully cover why he is here. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112" rel="nofollow - http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112 
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2011 at 5:42am
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Make that four Jeff. I trust your judgement. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2011 at 10:44am
Yay!  ------------- http://bit.ly/kZR7BC" rel="nofollow"> http://andywebb.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - My Bandcamp
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 10:21pm
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Neal Morse has been added using this bio: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/neal-morse.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/neal-morse.aspx Let me know what you guys think of it.  Musicbrainz will sync his albums to non-metal, and then I'll tag ? and Sola Scriptura (and maybe a couple live albums like Sola Scriptura and Beyond or ? Live) as prog metal. Let the aftermath begin. 
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Posted By: SKwid
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 10:25pm
i would agree that this is defiantly metal of some type -------------  
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 10:43pm
| I still think that sounds like hair metal |
Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2011 at 3:58pm
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Erm.... I didn't finish reading J-man's post and just went and added ? and Sola Scriptura... hope that's not too much of a problem my bad ------------- http://bit.ly/kZR7BC" rel="nofollow"> http://andywebb.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - My Bandcamp
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Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2011 at 4:03pm
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...and now ? isn't showing any of the data I entered into it anyway. ------------- http://bit.ly/kZR7BC" rel="nofollow"> http://andywebb.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - My Bandcamp
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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2011 at 4:19pm
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I don't think an '?' can be used in a url and MMA generates url's based on artist and album names, we may have to list that one as Question mark and just say in the description that its real name is ?, unless someone more familar with the technical side of the site can offer a better solution. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2011 at 4:37pm
I've deleted Sola Scriptura (it'll soon be imported by MB), but I can't access the ? page. ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2011 at 4:39pm
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I can, all the information is there when edit album infos is clicked, so I guess delete album will work too.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2011 at 4:46pm
Yeah you can edit it/delete it, but it still led to an invalid URL. The same thing will most likely happen with the MusicBrainz import - this is something that m@x or graphix should take a look at. ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2011 at 4:58pm
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hmmm..... I know in some programming languages symbols like that are used to separate different codes and may be processed out, so adding it as a ? may just confuse the language (ASP.NET) ------------- http://bit.ly/kZR7BC" rel="nofollow"> http://andywebb.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - My Bandcamp
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2011 at 3:47am
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Since Morse has been added, I will lock this topic, in accordance with the site policy. The "?" problem has been reported http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1415&title=neal-morse-entry-not-appearing" rel="nofollow - here .
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