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Topic: Unpopular opinions

Posted By: Vim Fuego
Subject: Unpopular opinions
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2017 at 1:05am

I was listening to this in the car today (the full album version anyway):

and I got to thinking... This is better than the shit Sepultura was churning out in the 90s with the Cavaleras in the band. In fact, every album post-Max, except Against, is at least better than Chaos A.D. (And all are better than Roots, because it is a dogturd sprinkled with glitter). I also got to thinking, I like Schizophrenia better than Arise. And then I got to thinking (I should really stop making a habit of it...) there are a lot of other things I think about metal which a lot of people don't always agree with:

I like LuLu
I hate Rust in Peace
The John Bush era Anthrax is as good as the Belladonna era
Undisputed Attitude is a fucking good Slayer album, and God Hates Us All isn't
Testament really weren't very good back in the 80s
Mayhem is good, but way overrated
Cannibal Corpse are a much more accomplished band than a lot of people give them credit for
Death's gory old stuff is better than the jazz/prog stuff later on
For a long time I said Dark Angel's Darkness Descends was at least as good as Reign In Blood. I was wrong
As much as I want to like it, I just don't like Nuclear Assault post-The Plague
The Number of the Beast is good, but way overrated, and The X Factor and Virtual XI are both perfectly fine albums. Iron Maiden have never released a bad one
Judas Priest has released a lot of awful music, studded with some absolute gems
I feel conflicted listening to Anal Cunt. I can't figure out if the sexism, racism, anti-Semitism and homophobia was a joke or not
Suffocation are bloody awful
Black metal in general is just really silly
I would rather listen to Poison's Open Up and Say....Ahh! than any Kiss album ever
Dream Theater and Opeth are really, really boring
I don't get Led Zeppelin
A lot of grindcore is just formless noise, but I still find myself attracted to it
Paul Baloff was a really shit singer, but his style fitted Exodus really well back in the day

That will do for now. Anyone else have opinions which seem to run counter to the prevailing wind?

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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2017 at 1:45am

Vim Fuego wrote:

Undisputed Attitude is a fucking good Slayer album, and God Hates Us All isn't

I didn't think that was an unpopular opinion, I always thought God Hates Us All was generally seen as Slayer's worst album (Which it is). Tongue

As for me, I have a ton. Here's a bunch that I can think of at the top of my head:

- I don't think St. Anger is that bad of an album, I really like Load, and I think Hardwired is Metallica's best album since Master of Puppets.

- Meshuggah is groove metal, not progressive metal

- Power Metal is one of Pantera's best albums

- I love Death's cover of Painkiller

- Every Helstar album is a masterpiece

- Born Again is one of the best Black Sabbath albums

- Rocka Rolla and Sin After Sin are Judas Priest's best 70's albums

- Point of Entry is one of Judas Priest's best albums

- Facelift is the best Alice in Chains album

- Sabbath Bloody Sabbath isn't that good of an album

- Dance of Death is Iron Maiden's best post-Somewhere in Time album

- Most of Kreator's modern stuff is boring

- Pleasures of the Flesh is one of Exodus's best albums

- Terror Squad is the best Artillery album

- S.C.I.E.N.C.E. is the best Incubus album

- Doomsday Machine is the best Arch Enemy album

- Introduce Yourself is the best Faith No More album

- Caress of Steel is one of Rush's best albums

- Swing and metal is one of the greatest combinations

- Thrash was still great during the 90's

- Untitled is Korn's best album

- Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat is the only good Slipknot album

- At the Gates of Sethu is one of Nile's best albums

- Dave Mustaine is one of the best thrash vocalists

- Songs of Love and Hate is Godflesh's best album

- Strange Highways and Lock Up the Wolves are two of Dio's best albums

- Virtual XI is a great album, and The X Factor is terrible

- Seventh Son of a Seventh Son is the weakest of Iron Maiden's 80's albums

- Set the World on Fire is the best Annihilator album, and Knight Jumps Queen is one of the greatest bass songs

Too many?

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2017 at 1:53am

I remember having a similar topic to this on the Heavy Metal Haven forum years ago. I expect a lot of my opinions have changed since those days but there's a few that still hold true and a few newer opinions:

St. Anger isn't the absolutely terrible album it's often made out to be. Don't get me wrong, it's bad, it's just not that bad. I'd take it over Load and ReLoad.
Though I have a bit more appreciation for them than I once did, I still don't think Slayer are all that great.
The same applies in different ways to every Big 4 thrash band though, including Metallica for having an overall really patchy later career.
Black metal is better than death metal.
Most so called brutal death metal is boring.
Most so called melodic death metal is boring.
Most so called old school death metal is boring.
Yes, that last one includes genuine older bands and the newer ones who try too hard.
Derrick Green era Sepultura is stronger than the Max Cavalera era.
Black metal is more inventive than any other metal genre, including and perhaps especially progressive metal.
No Prayer for the Dying is a solid Iron Maiden album and certainly not the weakest of the Bruce Dickinson fronted albums.
That would be Fear of the Dark.
Ride the Lightning is better than Master of Puppets.
Christopher Lee's Charlemagne: The Omens of Death is a pretty decent album.
Leprosy is Death's best album.
Eluveitie's best album to date is Evocation I, which isn't even metal.
Myrkur is unfairly hated.
Dark Medieval Times is the best and most interesting Satyricon album.

I may come up with more later.

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Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2017 at 2:09am

Here's something to start me off.

This:

is not a very good album.

While this track:

gives black metal a bad name everywhere.

Posted By: Psydye
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2017 at 2:21am

Andi Deris-fronted Helloween is better than Michael Kisk-fronted. Both Keeper of the Seven Keys albums are overrated as hell.

Posted By: keefer1970
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2017 at 10:09am

Psydye wrote:

Andi Deris-fronted Helloween is better than Michael Kisk-fronted. Both Keeper of the Seven Keys albums are overrated as hell.

I'll conditionally agree with the Deris > Kiske bit, even tho I love Keeper Part I.

However, I thought Keeper Part II was a pretty poor follow up and I have never understood why "II" always gets more love than "I."

Kiske had already worn out his welcome with me by the time "II" rolled around. (I won't even discuss how I feel about Pink Bubbles or Chameleon. Yuck! :D )

Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2017 at 5:42pm

Pretty basic, but I think Atheist's Piece of Time is a way better album than Unquestionable Presence.

Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2017 at 6:29pm

^ Whereas I'd say Piece of Time is as good as Unquestionable Presence (and vice versa).

Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 5:31pm

Also, I hate Iron Maiden. That is all except for Somewhere in Time. Love that album to death. I always thought they were so stagnant and uncreative with each album.

I also dislike Avatarium, as some of you might have seen from my reviews. Although I planned on reviewing their new album, ever since the shitstorm that was caused from the GWTRM one I've really lost the passion to do so.

Posted By: Psydye
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 5:58pm

HammerFall's debut is NOT their best album! That would be Crimson Thunder. Wink

Then again, I've yet to listen to their last 3 or 4 albums in depth so who knows!

Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 9:34pm

metal sucks

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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2017 at 10:44pm

Everyone here thinks that, but nice try.

Posted By: martindavey87
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2017 at 9:10am

My one-star review of 'Paranoid'.

Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2017 at 9:12am

^ yes you should have been publicly flayed for that one 😉

Posted By: martindavey87
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2017 at 10:04am

I still stand by my review. Tongue

Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2017 at 12:20am

One star? Maybe a bit harsh. An honest opinion? Priceless.

Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2017 at 9:03am

^ personally i don't understand why anyone gives a flying fuck about what music someone else likes. I read reviews to get insight into an album's contents and possible new perspectives that i have missed.

Vim, i totally agree with you about early Testament though. Yawn

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Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 2:34am

Powerslave is way overrated, my least favorite Iron Maiden 80's album.

Brave New World marks the beginning of the end of the band for me.

My corresponding reviews are on the site.

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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 3:12pm

One I forgot and just reminded myself of:

Nightfall in Middle-Earth is the weakest Blind Guardian album.

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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 3:48pm

Megadeth's Super Collider kicks ass! Just listen to Don't Turn Your Back for proof!

Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 11:39pm

Power metal in general is just a bit dull.
Pantera should have carried on without Phil Anselmo.
RATM might have been a bit different, but they were overhyped to high heaven.
Unplugged albums can just fuck off. If you're in a metal band, use your amps!
I can't really handle gigs any more, but I miss mosh pits.

Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2017 at 10:43am

Vim Fuego wrote:

Pantera should have carried on without Phil Anselmo.

The only vocalists that I can think of that would fit Pantera almost as well as Anselmo are John Bush and Kate French. John Bush would particularly be awesome to hear sing some Pantera classics.

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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2017 at 4:16pm

Unitron wrote:

Vim Fuego wrote:

Pantera should have carried on without Phil Anselmo.

The only vocalists that I can think of that would fit Pantera almost as well as Anselmo are John Bush and Kate French. John Bush would particularly be awesome to hear sing some Pantera classics.

Nah, they could have carried on with almost any hardcore shouter, and they would have had a better deal than Anselmo. Even Billy Milano.

Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2017 at 9:47pm

Vim Fuego wrote:

Unitron wrote:

Vim Fuego wrote:

Pantera should have carried on without Phil Anselmo.

The only vocalists that I can think of that would fit Pantera almost as well as Anselmo are John Bush and Kate French. John Bush would particularly be awesome to hear sing some Pantera classics.

Nah, they could have carried on with almost any hardcore shouter, and they would have had a better deal than Anselmo. Even Billy Milano.

And so though Maiden and Priest. I'm glad they just ended it myself. Their last album was starting to veer into retread

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Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2017 at 3:14pm

siLLy puPPy wrote:

Vim Fuego wrote:

Unitron wrote:

Vim Fuego wrote:

Pantera should have carried on without Phil Anselmo.

The only vocalists that I can think of that would fit Pantera almost as well as Anselmo are John Bush and Kate French. John Bush would particularly be awesome to hear sing some Pantera classics.

Nah, they could have carried on with almost any hardcore shouter, and they would have had a better deal than Anselmo. Even Billy Milano.

And so though Maiden and Priest. I'm glad they just ended it myself. Their last album was starting to veer into retread

Good points. Wink