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bartosso
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Posted: 17 Oct 2014 at 11:30am |
As usual, elaborate, please.
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rushfan4
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It depends. I am generally against the death penalty; however, in situations when there is no doubt to who a murderer is I am far less against the use of the death penalty.
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Unitron
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It's hard for me to pick an option here, because I do think sometimes some people are better off dead. The problem is though, people can get blackmailed and blamed for a crime they didn't do.
I think there are places for it, but it should only be used if someone is absolutely certain that the person is guilty. Some people do get off way too easily though in our current society. EDIT: I don't believe in lethal injection, nobody should suffer like that. What I do believe in is the death penalty if it's a gun to the head. Then it's quick, and gone with no prolonged pain.
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Bosh66
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On moral, political, religious or logical grounds it runs counter to everything I believe in. On a non-judgemental basis, it serves no purpose than to allow us to beat our chests manfully. No deterrent, more expensive and little protection for anyone else. But at least we've made the bastards suffer for what (we hope) they've done. Especially if we use the wrong type of injection or if we stick them in a chair.
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bartosso
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I agree 100%. I'm against with no exceptions. EDIT: Although religious grounds are out in my case.
Edited by bartosso - 17 Oct 2014 at 12:10pm |
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Colt
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I guess it is a sign of our advancing civilisation that we reject "eye for an eye" punishment.
I have watched TV programs that have broadcast cases where the death penalty was carried out on an innocent person, it is difficult not to feel uneasy about it. I have also watched and read about crimes where they are so heinous you wonder why they are allowed to live. I do sit on the fence, therefore. Having said all that, if a similar act was committed on any of my children I would serve the death penalty, personally. For once that is not easier said than done. |
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ProgMetaller2112
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This. Someone who becomes a repeat offender(meaning that they have killed multiple times) should be given less of a chance to live. I know it sounds harsh but if the person is hellbent on being a murderer we have to do something about it
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bartosso
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One question: Should it be all about punishing people, or socializing them so they never do this again? And if there's no way to rehabilitate them, then just keep them from harming anyone else. No need to kill anyone.
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ProgMetaller2112
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That's up for debate
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"Before you see the light you must die!!!!!!!!!!" - Slayer
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Bosh66
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If someone "hurt" one of mine, I know damn well I'd hunt them down, and take the punishment coming. Which is why we place justice out of the hands of the man in the street and serve it dispassionately. |
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ProgMetaller2112
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By the way, I voted against the death penalty
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - 17 Oct 2014 at 3:10pm |
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"Before you see the light you must die!!!!!!!!!!" - Slayer
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rushfan4
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There are definitely different levels:
To me, a monster who walks into a school or shopping mall, etc. and starts opening fire indiscriminately who is caught in the act and lives to tell about it deserves the death penalty. Situations like this where there is no doubt who the perpetrator is I don't really have a problem with the death penalty. The exception to this situation might be the case where there is no doubt the person did it but they did it because someone had kidnapped their child and would kill them unless they committed this atrocity. I would probably still give them a life sentence though because despite the unenviable situation it still isn't an excuse to kill other innocent people. On the other hand, situations where a body is found and there are no eyewitnesses and the suspect is someone who is convicted based on circumstantial evidence, if the suspect vehemently denies committing the crime but is convicted anyways, I am more likely to error on the side of caution and that person away for life. - The majority of murders probably fall into this category. |
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Unitron
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Agreed This is basically how I feel.
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A Person
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I can't think of any reason why I would support the death penalty personally.
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Triceratopsoil
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Costs more money than imprisonment for life and has a chance of killing innocent people. Even if I were a bloodthirsty neocon piece of shit I couldn't support it.
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ProgMetaller2112
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"Before you see the light you must die!!!!!!!!!!" - Slayer
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siLLy puPPy
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Too many cases of innocents being convicted, law enforcement misconduct and the like. How can a society say killing is wrong and then kill? Prison sounds like a worse punishment any ways
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bartosso
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It definitely does, taking freedom is in a way harsher than taking life. I remember however how people were shocked by how short the sentence for Breivik was. It seems in Norway it's not about punishment but rather about rehabilitating the convict, which is a good thing in my opinion. I can't see how they want to fix this fucker, though.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Good point
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"Before you see the light you must die!!!!!!!!!!" - Slayer
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Colt
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Answer: Happy with that but not paying for their upkeep. Do I let the appropriate governments know you're happy to pay for them all? |
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