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Citizen Erased 
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 Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 11:52am |
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Fair enough. I'll keep my trap shut there.
I just dislike Papa Roach with a burning passion :p |
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Negoba
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 11:50am |
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Papa Roach is already in there. Like Glam Metal, these are bands people like and some hate. Our job is not to judge on taste (except in our reviews) but on whether the music is metal or primarily metal based.
I saw Papa Roach open for Motley Crue and though I expected it to stink, they put on a good show. Buckcherry, who I expected to rock, were lame.
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 11:37am |
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As long as crap like Papa Roach doesn't crawl onto this site, Alternative Metal is a good sub-genre to have.
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topofsm
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Posted: 31 Mar 2010 at 10:02pm |
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Really? Nobody sees any alternative elements in Nu metal? To my ears most nu metal sounds like heavy alternative music anyways.
When I think of alternative rock, I have a tendency to think of adolescents who just learned to piece together chords into a song. However general that may be, the likes of Slipknot and Korn sound like this.
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Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want.
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Sckxyss
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Posted: 31 Mar 2010 at 1:13am |
I wouldn't argue that it doesn't exist, but if anything it's a subcategory of Alternative Metal. It could be it's own genre, but then so could Depressive Black Metal, Symphonic Black Metal, Atmospheric Black Metal, etc. But, as with Black Metal, I think it would be best to have just one subgenre and then mention the other in the genre description or something. Either way, I still think it's odd to have a Nu Metal subgenre and not have an Alternative Metal one, when the latter is the much more prominent one. |
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 8:38pm |
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One tag can include the other... I would opt for the "alternative" tag instead of the "nu" one because it is a bigger umbrella...
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 8:32pm |
absolutely NONE at all.... who would confuse the two.   |
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 4:30pm |
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^ my two cents
Alternative metal does not really compare, at least in my books, with Nu Metal. I see no great relation between e.g. Tool, early Soundgarden and Alice in Chains with Korn, Linkin Park etc. |
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dean
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 2:09am |
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Just because you don't like the Nu Metal tag doesn't mean you can change it to something you do like. Unlike so many after-the-event tags, Nu Metal actually existed as a subgenre of Metal, the bands were happy to be called that and gladly jumped on the bandwagon to fame using it. If you want "Alt Metal" then petition for the creation of a new subgenre and leave the Nu Metal bands like Coal Chamber, Korn and Papa Roach out of it
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Kashmir75
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 12:14am |
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I've never really liked the tag 'nu metal' either. Alternative metal is a much wider term and can cover everything from Soundgarden to Tool to Linkin Park.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 11:10pm |
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I started a thread about this in the suggestions board and it didn't get much attention. I think it's a much better tag than "Nu Metal" and allows for bands like Alice In Chains and Soundgarden to fit in as well.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 11:00pm |
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What about stuff like System of A Down? For years they were lumped into 'nu metal', but I think they can't really be bracketed into that. I think, with all their Zappa, Primus, and Faith No More influences, they better fit into alternative metal.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 10:21pm |
yeah.... was thinking along those lines myself. |
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MrEdifus
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 9:32pm |
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Doom and Traditional don't fit Soundgarden or Alice In Chains very well.
We MIGHT have to take yet another leaf out of PA's book: Proto-Metal and Metal Related categories, perhaps? |
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Kashmir75
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 8:59pm |
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I consider 'alt metal' to be stuff like Tool, Faith No More, Helmet, personally.
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micky
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 6:54pm |
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it's a suggestion... one I think the site should seriously consider...
you can do it now.... or do it later when traditional heavy metal has balloned into ... hahah.. a unmedicated disaster of a sub with 800+ groups that sound nothing alike.... leading to people spending 6 months ..first fighting for a split... then going through all the groups. Edited by micky - 29 Mar 2010 at 6:55pm |
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 6:38pm |
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I don't know... "Traditional Heavy Metal" still doesn't seem to fit Soundgarden/AiC. I almost feel like grunge is closer to alternative metal than it is to heavy metal, though both these artists seem to transcend the simplicity implied by alt. metal.
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Posted: 28 Mar 2010 at 3:26pm |
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Trad. Heavy Metal definately suits Soundgarden and AIC much better, after all, grunge was basically just a fuzzier take on old rock and traditional metal anyhow. That is, unless, you intend to create a grunge section to house such bands later.
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micky
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Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 9:41am |
very much so...  wise move M@X... I think that could be the best way to do it.. and to implement it now.. before the site reaches PA's levels of database masterliness and becomes practically impossible to implement. Edited by micky - 27 Mar 2010 at 9:41am |
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Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 8:24am |
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Cool
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