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    Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 11:03am
Uriah Heep and Hawkwind are in too Metal guide for not to be in this site.

Who do you think about these inclusions?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 11:42am
Uriah heep could have a slight chance (I wouldn't include them but The teams might come to that decision.). I don't see Hawkwind as anything remotely metal though. Not at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 11:57am
Uriah Heep should definitely be in proto-metal IMO.

Hawkwind has absolutely nothing metal about them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 12:02pm
I would have nothing against having both included in Proto.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 12:39pm
Hawkwind have metal fans... So I think that Hawkwind have a chance to be included here.

Uriah Heep performs Proto Metal in 70's as plays Prog in 70's!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 1:28pm
Like others, I agree with Uriah Heep, but not with Hawkwind. They are psychedelic, not metal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 2:12pm
Do you want my personal opinion? We have to be careful not to go the same way as PA. I have more or less abandoned the site after yet another spate about a controversial addition. Life is hard enough for everyone without creating unpleasant situations in an environment that should provide fun and relaxation. For the time being, until the site is settled and we have attracted more members, let's keep things as they are. You all know the consequences of not setting boundaries right from the very beginning. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 2:26pm
Exactly. Let's add METAL bands because this is a METAL website for METAL fans. Once we've added all the real metal bands, we can start considering this difficult decisions...

If a band has metal fans it doesn't mean it's metal.

If a band has zero metal fans but their music is evidently heavy metal, then it is a metal band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 3:12pm
couldn't agree more... Hawkwind has zilch in common with the site...  Uriah Heep is another matter and probably should be here... but let's worry about the detailed accents AFTER the main course has been served...

getting real metal bands added and placed.. after that...  guns away debating all the fricking metal related acts. To be honest.. wish that never raised it's ugly head here... but I guess the site has to be inclusive in that way.  It can wait though.. the site isn't going to lose prospective members because Uriah Heep hasn't been added yet LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 12:29am
yes for Uriah Heep (maybe Proto-Metal).

Hawkwind had their hard rock moments (irony is they seemed to be more harder after the Lemmy era, but not much hard rock) , but more associated with Space Rock. "Night of the Hawks" is definately a hard rock number.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 7:10am
OK, now I will say it more clearly, since it seems my earlier post did not come across. As a moderator, and one of the people in charge of the Proto-Metal team, I am not going to support any addition that may prove controversial in the early days of the site. On PA there are people suggesting Bob Dylan for addition, and that is happening because no one put clear limits to what was suitable and what wasn't. We want to attract new members, and will not do so if our addition policy is unclear from the start. When things are settled, then we will deal with all the 'grey areas'. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 7:16am
100% support for that view of things
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 7:40am
There is nothing remotely controversial about Uriah Heep as proto-metal as they were in the vanguard of the heavy rock movement in the early 70s.

Hawkwind? Umm, no. They weren't even guitar driven....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 7:44am
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

There is nothing remotely controversial about Uriah Heep as proto-metal as they were in the vanguard of the heavy rock movement in the early 70s.

Hawkwind? Umm, no. They weren't even guitar driven....


not controversial for addition TO proto-metal...  everyone most everyone hahha Heart here sees they are a no-brainer for that.

what is controversial is the existence.. or more to the point... an emphasis on adding those bands so early.. when the emphasis should be on adding real metal bands.and getting those bands (and albums) placed correctly.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 7:49am
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

There is nothing remotely controversial about Uriah Heep as proto-metal as they were in the vanguard of the heavy rock movement in the early 70s.

Hawkwind? Umm, no. They weren't even guitar driven....


This site is called METAL Music Archives, and heavy rock is not metal. Mind you, my stance has nothing to do with my personal preference - as you should know, I am a huge fan of heavy rock, much more than of any of the extreme varieties of metal. Anyway, as the name says, Proto-metal is for bands that were influential on the formation of metal, and I don't really think Uriah Heep fit that bill.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 7:53am
Quote Heavy metal (often referred to simply as metal) is a genre of rock music that developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s, largely in the United Kingdom and the United States. With roots in blues-rock and psychedelic rock, the bands that created heavy metal developed a thick, massive sound, characterized by highly amplified distortion, extended guitar solos, emphatic beats, and overall loudness.


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Quote The first heavy metal bands such as Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple


Uriah Heep were very much blues rock/psychedelic rock heavy rock, a more melodic Sabbath type but heavy rock nonetheless methinks. Neither Led Zep nor Purple were "Heavy Metal" by your rational.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 8:05am
From Wikpedia, the same article that is the source for your Metal definition:

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That same year, two other British bands released debut albums in a heavy metal mode: Uriah Heep with Very 'eavy... Very 'umble and UFO with UFO 1. Budgie brought the new metal sound into a power trio context.[82] The occult lyrics and imagery employed by Black Sabbath and Uriah Heep would prove particularly influential; Led Zeppelin also began foregrounding such elements with its fourth album, released in 1971.


Game, set and match, I think.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 8:08am
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

From Wikpedia, the same article that is the source for your Metal definition:

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That same year, two other British bands released debut albums in a heavy metal mode: Uriah Heep with Very 'eavy... Very 'umble and UFO with UFO 1. Budgie brought the new metal sound into a power trio context.[82] The occult lyrics and imagery employed by Black Sabbath and Uriah Heep would prove particularly influential; Led Zeppelin also began foregrounding such elements with its fourth album, released in 1971.


Game, set and match, I think.



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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



not controversial for addition TO proto-metal...  everyone most everyone hahha Heart here sees they are a no-brainer for that.

what is controversial is the existence.. or more to the point... an emphasis on adding those bands so early.. when the emphasis should be on adding real metal bands.and getting those bands (and albums) placed correctly.


ace down the middle... game..set ...match LOLHeart






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 8:12am
I seem to remember someone saying, 'Let's add REAL prog bands'Wink... Well, just replace 'prog' with 'metal', and here you are!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 8:13am
Well it is on your About Metal Page:

http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/metal-music.aspx

which links directly to the article I quote above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music

Anyone reading that will expect the likes of Uriah Heep and Budgie to be here, wouldnt they? Not controversial at all. These ARE and always have been Proto-Metal bands (without that descriptor, of course). This is not an issue of broad inclusivety, it's not even up for debate surely?



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