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What is a deal breaker in metal for you?

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Poll Question: What metal elements bother you the most?
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Originally posted by Murphy Murphy wrote:

^^^ I always thought Summoning did it pretty well.

A pet hate of mine is genre hopping. I like when bands fuses other genres into their music, but when shits flitting all over the place, passing it off the next best thing in avant-garde, it tends to grate on my nerves. Will not mention names since some of the ones I'm thinking of seem to highly rated here.  


Just wait, I'm adding Naked City later LOL
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Murphy Murphy wrote:

^^^ I always thought Summoning did it pretty well.

A pet hate of mine is genre hopping. I like when bands fuses other genres into their music, but when shits flitting all over the place, passing it off the next best thing in avant-garde, it tends to grate on my nerves. Will not mention names since some of the ones I'm thinking of seem to highly rated here.  


Just wait, I'm adding Naked City later LOL


Angry  I think you should reconsider such a decision Tongue

nah, they got eYe ripping shit up; Torture Garden gets lukewarm appreciation in my house hold. PainKiller coming soon too?



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Triceratopsoil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 11:43am
Originally posted by Murphy Murphy wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Murphy Murphy wrote:

^^^ I always thought Summoning did it pretty well.

A pet hate of mine is genre hopping. I like when bands fuses other genres into their music, but when shits flitting all over the place, passing it off the next best thing in avant-garde, it tends to grate on my nerves. Will not mention names since some of the ones I'm thinking of seem to highly rated here.  


Just wait, I'm adding Naked City later LOL


Angry  I think you should reconsider such a decision Tongue

nah, they got eYe ripping shit up; Torture Garden gets lukewarm appreciation in my house hold. PainKiller coming soon too?



Yep, although from what I hear they were already here, then for some reason got deleted when Matt (a_person) told them to fix something about the bio.  Whatever.

For Naked City I probably won't be tagging everything metal anyway.
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Zorn eh? I know it's called grindcore but we know better...that has to be avant metal rite? 
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

I voted for gratuitous soloing.

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Pig squeals
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Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Pig squeals

I either saw you post this already or I foresaw it LOL
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I probably did, but this is an old thread, and I didn´t go through it to see if I posted already LOL
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Cheesy Synth and Gratuitous Soloing (I'm looking at you Dream Theater)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ProgMetaller2112 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 11:59am
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

I probably did, but this is an old thread, and I didn´t go through it to see if I posted already LOL

Yes, this thread is an old one. I went through it earlier and saw that you hadn't posted anything on it Shocked
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several from this list:

fade outs - especially when there is a solo of either guitar or synths; then you hear a live version of a song and it sounds... well, more thorough if I may say so...

technicality alone is not enough

pig squeals - whoever thought those are good?!

narration can be pretty awful at times, very few exceptions - for instance Jeff Waynes - War of the Worlds, but when you got Richard Burton as narrator... (LOL), it would be rather awful to screw that up 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jan 2018 at 8:19am
No deal breakers for me. Any element of music is fair game if it's used effectively. If i had to name a deal breaker than i would be bad compositional planning. Even pig squeals can be used to great effect but if it's a whole album of samey uninspired songs with them then forget it. I guess lack of inspiration is the closest thing. Sometimes an album clearly works and sometimes it doesn't. 
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Cheesy synths.
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Drum machines. Wouldn't knowingly buy an album that uses one instead of a real drummer.
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Originally posted by Nightfly Nightfly wrote:

Drum machines. Wouldn't knowingly buy an album that uses one instead of a real drummer.

Not even something like Godflesh?
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Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

Originally posted by Nightfly Nightfly wrote:

Drum machines. Wouldn't knowingly buy an album that uses one instead of a real drummer.

Not even something like Godflesh?

I don't know their stuff very well to be honest. 

I might be biased though being a drummer myself.
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Originally posted by Nightfly Nightfly wrote:

Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

Originally posted by Nightfly Nightfly wrote:

Drum machines. Wouldn't knowingly buy an album that uses one instead of a real drummer.

Not even something like Godflesh?

I don't know their stuff very well to be honest. 

I might be biased though being a drummer myself.


I listen to a lot of drum machine grindcore, where admittedly a lot of the time the drum machine is simply a fancy metronome.
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Old poll. I know from my old post I voted for pig squeals before but I actually wish I could change my vote to Other. Pig squeals are still a deal breaker but they're mostly used in genres I've little interest in anyway, so I think a bigger deal breaker for me is the unlisted rapping. I really have no tolerance for that in my metal and I really hate it when bands who play genres that aren't usually associated with using rapping decide to throw some in. I can make the conscious decision to not listen to stuff like rap metal and nu metal. I don't want to hear symphonic metal bands inviting rappers to guest on their music. I'm looking at Within Temptation here. I never play the CD of their last album anymore because of that song they did with Xzibit. It wasn't even as bad as it could have been. But every time I consider playing that CD I recall that song and just think 'nope!' and pick something else. I know I could skip it, but that's how much of a deal breaker rapping is for me. It completely turns me off returning to that CD. 
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I would say pig squeals but I actually haven't heard that much metal w/ them in it so really can't say. I went w/ other, however, as I am NOT a fan of unintelligible grunting(as in brutal death metal) and generic growling(as in most modern tech death). It just just doesn't do anything for me. This is why I am a fan of a lot of the old school stuff....a lot of death metal vocalists actually sounded DIFFERENT from each other...and were also a bit intelligible! Nowadays it's all the same and doesn't sound intelligible.
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Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

Old poll. I know from my old post I voted for pig squeals before but I actually wish I could change my vote to Other. Pig squeals are still a deal breaker but they're mostly used in genres I've little interest in anyway, so I think a bigger deal breaker for me is the unlisted rapping. I really have no tolerance for that in my metal and I really hate it when bands who play genres that aren't usually associated with using rapping decide to throw some in. I can make the conscious decision to not listen to stuff like rap metal and nu metal. I don't want to hear symphonic metal bands inviting rappers to guest on their music. I'm looking at Within Temptation here. I never play the CD of their last album anymore because of that song they did with Xzibit. It wasn't even as bad as it could have been. But every time I consider playing that CD I recall that song and just think 'nope!' and pick something else. I know I could skip it, but that's how much of a deal breaker rapping is for me. It completely turns me off returning to that CD. 

You'd think rap would be a deal breaker for me as well, since I generally can't stand the genre on its own, but I actually have no problem with rap vocals in metal, for some reason. That Within Temptation song is actually one of my favorites on that album LOL

As far as my vote, it's tough to say, because nothing listed is technically a deal breaker, in that either I enjoy albums in spite of them, or I just don't listen to anything with them anyway (pig squeals, for example.) I think narration is probably the worst for me, especially when used poorly or excessively, like on the latest Rebellion album, but even then I can sometimes tolerate it if it's done properly. Poor mixing is similar, in that it can bother me, but I've enjoyed plenty of albums in the past in spite of it. I'm actually fan of "cheesy synths" and "Gratuitous soloing", of course. 
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