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    Posted: 25 Jan 2018 at 9:06pm

Modern heavy metal SUCKS! Djent, Progressive & Grindcore DISMANTLED.


So what do ya reckon? I have no idea about how to play or make music, but is this guy right? An asshole who doesn't know what he's talking about? Or a grumpy old fucker who can't change with the times? Or an old school genius who's bang on?Wink

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I think he's an old school genius who's bang on. Thumbs Up

I've felt this for a while now, that so much modern metal is sterile sounding and too overproduced, but now I know that it isn't just the modern production values that are bringing it down. I always think immediately of death metal, as there is barely any real raw and old school sounding death metal I hear from these days apart from new albums from the classic bands and that new Xibalba EP.
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I'll watch the video sometime today, but if I'm to guess at the sentiment being expressed I may have some similar feelings. I don't know much about grindcore but progressive metal (of which so called djent is often linked to), I've long felt is really stale in the last few years. I even wrote my first post of my MMA blog on this: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10879&title=adams-blog-1-progressive-metal

This is not of course to say that there are not decent modern yet still traditional prog metal albums. I've had a few this year that I've loved like the new ones from Threshold, Caligula's Horse and of course Anubis Gate and Ayreon are pretty reliable. But I find most modern artists/releases to be labelled prog boring and sometimes not even deserving of the label. 

Black metal on the other hand is in full creative swing making this a very exciting time to be a black metal fan. So it would definitely be inaccurate to say that all modern metal can be judged the same. 
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I'm not watching the video since the title is so stupid and biased. Just a loss of time. Of course, nowadays there are a lot of stale and mediocre bands in every musical genre, but that doesn't mean that a genre sucks.

Djent and prog. Admittedly, there are many bands that copy each other and may sound boring, but there are lots of incredible and innovative bands who push forward the limits of metal (off the top of my head, Animals as Leaders, Angel Vivaldi, Paul Wardingham, Pomegranate Tiger, Outrun the Sunlight, Marty Friedman, and many many more...).

Grindcore. Just discovering this genre and, though it's quite hit-or-miss, I've come across excellent bands (especially grindcore and deathgrind)... Goregrind and pornogrind are not my cup of tea, but I don't think they suck just for that. LOL


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Originally posted by Sisslith Sisslith wrote:

I'm not watching the video since the title is so stupid and biased. 

The title of the video is pretty clickbait, but I recommend watching it. It is informative and not very rude like the title may suggest.
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Originally posted by adg211288 adg211288 wrote:

I'll watch the video sometime today, but if I'm to guess at the sentiment being expressed I may have some similar feelings. I don't know much about grindcore but progressive metal (of which so called djent is often linked to), I've long felt is really stale in the last few years. I even wrote my first post of my MMA blog on this: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10879&title=adams-blog-1-progressive-metal

This is not of course to say that there are not decent modern yet still traditional prog metal albums. I've had a few this year that I've loved like the new ones from Threshold, Caligula's Horse and of course Anubis Gate and Ayreon are pretty reliable. But I find most modern artists/releases to be labelled prog boring and sometimes not even deserving of the label. 

Black metal on the other hand is in full creative swing making this a very exciting time to be a black metal fan. So it would definitely be inaccurate to say that all modern metal can be judged the same. 


He's semi-correct on the grindcore thing. There are a lot of samey sounding bands using the same stupid vocals, but I'd say it's more a cliche in deathcore than grindcore, because there's a big variation across the grind spectrum.
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^ there are some great deathcore bands out there. I wouldn’t disagree though.
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I enjoyed this video. I still spend about 96% of my music money on pre-1995 albums as I find the music really exciting. Heavy metal went through so many changes over its first two and a half decades. Recently the evolution has slowed down. Not as slow as pop mind you, but still things are not moving as quickly as they used to. This guy's explanation offers some reasons for why that evolution has lost pace. I don't know enough about modern metal to say whether or not he's totally right or way off the mark and I do enjoy a lot of modern albums. But it's true that music from the 60's through to the early eighties and maybe even nineties in the case of metal required a lot of innovation and ingenuity to get the music to sound as they musicians intended. If these days the goal is to get everyone to fit an easy mould then we are losing that spirit of adventure and innovation.

His point about vocals I agree with though. I grew up on Rob Halford, Bruce Dickenson, Klaus Meine, Ronnie Dio and the likes and you can pick each one out easily from the others. I have also come to appreciate the skill of death growls and can recognize individual voices as well. And though I find some modern techniques interesting in sound, he's right about certain techniques making it impossible to maintain a distinct and individual voice tone.
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He's both right and not right.

That meaning, keep in mind that metal has become popular beyond belief. There's probably a billion more bands than there were 20 years ago.

For the basic subgenres of death, black and doom etc, i agree with the fact that some of the best stuff peaked in the 90s however as metal matures and becomes more adventurous and cross-pollinating into other musical arenas, there have been some phenomenal albums released in modern days.

Perhaps he's referring to a certain "feel," one of simple innocense of merely banging your head or in other words perpetual adolescence. While i will agree that there is more crap than quality, i love a lot of newer metal bands as well as newer albums released by the old timers.

In some cases like Overkill, Rotting Christ and Behemoth, just to name a few, i prefer their modern releases to their older stuff hands down both in musical terms as well as production. 

I am all across the board musically and don't have a purist attitude about any genre. I'm happy with jazz fornicating with metal or country or whatever but even pure metal has some great shit out these days. Too many copycats as always though
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Just watched it. He's all talk, no action. What has he done himself except criticize? Metal artists copy each other because there is money in it. Sometimes clones actually outperform the original inspiration although that's the exception. Part of the reason we hear so much mediocrity today is because EVERYONE can record their own shit in their bedroom with minimal expenses. Mixed blessing of course. Creative forces that never would've gotten the time of day can now be heard, however we have to find that tiny drop in a sea of crap. He says he wants to bring back speed metal and yet calling out copycatting for not being progressive. Sounds like he's in a creative slump as well and merely looking in the mirror when he spouts all this stuff. 
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If a particular metal style is distinctive enough to be regarded as a subgenre, then more or less by definition it's hit the point where you can make a formulaic imitation of that style, promote it as the hottest new progcore/djentgrind/mathwave/whatever release, and get a bit of recognition from people who are really into that sound and uncritically want to gobble up more.

That's just how it is - it's the same in books, movies, or any other creative field: as soon as you have a recognised genre, you have a bandwagon, and once you have a bandwagon you'll get shoddy product tossed out in the hopes of riding that bandwagon.

That doesn't mean that the groundbreaking material that defined the genres in question in the first place are rubbish - or that people can't take the subgenre to new heights. It does mean you have to wade your way through the clutter. But then again with sites like this place and RYM and the like it's never been easier to do that.
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I must be even more out of the loop than I thought. I don't even know what a "djent" is. Confused
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Originally posted by keefer1970 keefer1970 wrote:

I must be even more out of the loop than I thought. I don't even know what a "djent" is. Confused

Not 100% on it myself. I read it as a synonym for "sounds like Meshuggah. Avoid."
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Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

Originally posted by keefer1970 keefer1970 wrote:

I must be even more out of the loop than I thought. I don't even know what a "djent" is. Confused

Not 100% on it myself. I read it as a synonym for "sounds like Meshuggah. Avoid."

Meshuggah isn't "djent" and they hate the term themselves. All the "djent" I've heard really sounds nothing like Meshuggah and is usually just modern prog metal or metalcore with downtuned guitars. Meshuggah is just groove metal with insane use of syncopation, no matter how much "djent" fans will say otherwise.
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For those who need a definition: I actually prefer the term Math metal to the stupid soundinhg Djent

Also known as:  Math Metal
Djent is a style of Progressive Metal with syncopated rhythmic structures, angular melodies, and dissonant chords. Typical traits of the sound include groovy polyrhythms (often four-over-three), cycling patterns of varying length with more unusual time signatures, a sporadic and relatively sparse use of snare, slashing use of cymbals, and both heavy and psychedelic cleanly played riffs that are highly repetitive; all usually interplayed with a high level of technicality. It relies heavily on Alternative Metal-resembling riffs (often incorporating elements from Death Metal and Math Rock) to create a chaotic atmosphere. Djent also sometimes borrows elements from Mathcore

The word "djent" is an onomatopoeia coined by Fredrik Thordendal of Meshuggah for the medium-high gain, dissonant guitar tone the genre primarily utilizes. TexturesTesseracTXerath and most notably Meshuggah are good examples of Djent.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:



The word "djent" is an onomatopoeia coined by Fredrik Thordendal of Meshuggah for the medium-high gain, dissonant guitar tone the genre primarily utilizes. TexturesTesseracTXerath and most notably Meshuggah are good examples of Djent.

They kind of debunk their own usage of it as a genre with saying that, which is true because "djent" isn't and never will be a real genre. Thordendal just used it to describe the sound that the guitar makes when asked in an interview, and I doubt any of the members of Meshuggah intended it to become a "genre" with their rejection of the label.
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So I was right... Sounds like Meshuggah, avoid.Tongue
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Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

So I was right... Sounds like Meshuggah, avoid.Tongue

Well yes, avoid djent, but not because it sounds like Meshuggah. Meshuggah fans like myself should also avoid djent, because it doesn't sound like Meshuggah. LOL

As much as djent and prog fans would be furious at me, Meshuggah has always been closer to groove metal (Well except their debut, which is pure tech thrash) . This isn't djent, prog, math, or anything like that:



And if this was made by Korn, it would be called nu metal:


Sorry, I get really infuriated when Meshuggah always gets called djent.


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Originally posted by Unitron Unitron wrote:

Originally posted by Vim Fuego Vim Fuego wrote:

So I was right... Sounds like Meshuggah, avoid.Tongue

Well yes, avoid djent, but not because it sounds like Meshuggah. Meshuggah fans like myself should also avoid djent, because it doesn't sound like Meshuggah. LOL

As much as djent and prog fans would be furious at me, Meshuggah has always been closer to groove metal (Well except their debut, which is pure tech thrash) . This isn't djent, prog, math, or anything like that:



And if this was made by Korn, it would be called nu metal:


Sorry, I get really infuriated when Meshuggah always gets called djent.


You do realise I don't care enough to listen to those songs...Wink
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^Yes, I realize. I'm just going on a tangent at this point. LOL
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