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    Posted: 14 Jun 2017 at 11:59am
I was going to make a poll for this, but I'm looking for an actual discussion. I also want to hear opinions without putting a set of options on the table. 

So basically the question is this: what do you consider the most extreme genre of metal and why? 

I'm not asking which one you like the most. 

In my mind there are really only three candidates: Grindcore (in its various forms), Brutal Death Metal and War Metal (A.K.A. Bestial Black Metal). Due to lack of substantial familiarity with grindcore and my fairly recent introduction to war metal I can't really say for sure which I would objectively consider the most extreme beyond that, but I'm sure it's got to be one of them. 
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Are we talking these days or the 80's/90's?

If we're talking the 80's/90's, I would say there are many candidates. Thrash, Groove, Death, Doom, and Sludge were all pretty equally extreme. For me, being extreme means sounding as heavy and crushing as possible, and all of those genres did that back then.

Now, if we're talking these days, it gets harder. Many things factor into what makes something extreme and heavy beyond just what music you play. Production, instrument tones and tuning, placement and contrast of instrumentation and vocals, and more. For the most part, previously extreme genres like death metal make use of today's slick, polished, and overproduced production values, which makes it sound weak and not really heavy at all. There are some exceptions, like Xibalba's EP from this year, that is an actually good raw production that gives it a good bottom end sound.

I guess if I had to pick one genre that has somewhat retained it's extreme nature, it would be doom metal. Bands like Electric Wizard and Pentagram still have the heaviness and darkness of old school doom.
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I'm talking in general and expecting everyone to use their own idea of what counts as extreme. 
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I´ve heard some industrial Black metal and some extreme avant garde metal which would make metal bend and minds melt, but overall I´d say grindcore is the most extreme genre I´ve encountered. Some artists are fairly civilized, but there are some noisy messy and raw releases there, that are almost to the point of being unlistenable.
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"Extreme" is as noted difficult to define. In terms of discordance and pushing boundaries of what constitutes metal, some avant garde and mathcore bands are extreme in the .. well extreme. In terms of sheer heaviness, sludge and doom probably (not the atmospheric stuff as much, obviously). In terms of just being silly extreme, I've listened to a few brutal death metal, slam metal, grind and brutal deathcore bands who are challenging to say the least. And I've heard a good many black metal acts that are pretty raw and heavy too.

Which is the most extreme genre? No idea LOL
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Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

I´ve heard some industrial Black metal and some extreme avant garde metal which would make metal bend and minds melt, but overall I´d say grindcore is the most extreme genre I´ve encountered. Some artists are fairly civilized, but there are some noisy messy and raw releases there, that are almost to the point of being unlistenable.
I fully agree with this opinion.
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Grindcore.
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The word "EXTREME" needs to be coupled with a secondary identifying factor. Extreme metal can have many contenders since metal itself has many elements. Each of these elements such as dissonance, distortion, loudness, speed, bizarre, spacey etc can all be more extreme in one band than another band but aren't necessarily more so compared to each other, so i would take different elements of metal and rank the most extreme of each

Extreme:

As far as dissonance, bands like Kayo Dot take the cake.

As far as complexity, Unexpect rules

As for distortion, black metal's buzzsaw guitar probably, especially in war metal

As for speed, neoclassical, power and brutal death seem equal

As for filthiness, raw and anarchic, grindcore wins

As for surreal and detached from reality, funeral doom like Esoteric fits the bill

As for technically focused, bands like Gorguts win

As for glaciated endurance, drone metal like Earth takes the cake

As for too campy and pop oriented to tolerate, glam metal / rockers like Nelson come to mind

As far as over-the-top gorey lyrics, Carcass and their Symphonies of Sickness hasn't been topped

As for blasphemous lyrics, black metal hands down

As for brutality in vocals, death and black tie (however some sludge and core could easily fit here)

As for theatrical stage appearance, black metal for sure

As for utterly ridiculous, pornogrind



If you ask me for the absolutely most extreme metal music possible that takes as many of all these elements together (no one has done all of them as far as i know) i'd vote for mathcore bands like 
PSYOPUS with avant-garde bands like UNEXPECT and GORGUTS coming in a close second

So after all that i guess i'd vote for GRINDCORE and its subs as well


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