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    Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 2:24pm
Judas Priest's classic heavy metal album Painkiller is strangely placed in power metal on this site. Please fix.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 3:15pm
There isn't anything to fix. While Painkiller contains both heavy and power metal aspects we have determined that the power metal elements are dominant. It's a very early power metal album of course, being released in 1990 and definitely isn't representative of the so called 'cheesy' style of power metal more easily identified, but power metal is a more diverse genre than just keyboard laden stuff. The speed and technique of the riffs in particular on Painkiller are very power metal based on the majority of the tracks, and that's what really counts when we pick where we place albums on MMA. It's an oddity within the JP discography, much like the following Jugulator, which is placed in thrash metal on account of being more of a groove metal album. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 3:22pm
That would be a great argument if Painkiller was power metal at all, but it's not. Heavy metal with some speed metal at most. I know my power metal and Painkiller isn't it.

Also you really can't compare Painkiller to Jugulator. Jugulator isn't even a real Priest album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 4:00pm
I'm sorry but you are going to need more than "I know my power metal" to support your case
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 4:12pm
I don't really know what you want me to say. To me it is so obviously not power metal that I don't even know how to justify that it isn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by powermetal2000 powermetal2000 wrote:



Also you really can't compare Painkiller to Jugulator. Jugulator isn't even a real Priest album.


Of course it is a real Priest album!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 5:30pm
How can Jugulator not be a "real" Priest album? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 5:38pm
Sorry but in my world Priest without Halford isn't right. Ripper's good but he wasn't right for Priest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 5:41pm
I personally thought he did a stand up job.  He had massive shoes to fill and I think he got a bit of a raw deal from some of the hardcore Priest fans.

Saying that though I do prefer Halford albums over the Ripper ones.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by powermetal2000 powermetal2000 wrote:

Sorry but in my world Priest without Halford isn't right. Ripper's good but he wasn't right for Priest.


The album was released by Judas Priest, so it's a real Judas Priest album regardless who the vocalist is. It's fine that you will not accept it as a real Judas Priest album (there are many albums by many artists that I feel the same way about), but, objectively speaking, it is a Judas Priest album.

Also, I think that Tim Owen's did a great job, in particular on Jugulator. Still, nothing thrilled me more than hearing Halford sing on Angel of Retribution.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 6:00pm
Originally posted by Time Signature Time Signature wrote:

Still, nothing thrilled me more than hearing Halford sing on Angel of Retribution.

Tell me about it!! \m/


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 6:05pm
... especially 'Demonizer', 'Deal with the Devil' and 'Judas Rising'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 6:08pm
Originally posted by Time Signature Time Signature wrote:

... especially 'Demonizer', 'Deal with the Devil' and 'Judas Rising'.


Rob Halford has this really (this sounds cheesy) special presence about him.  He's a legend.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 6:13pm
Quote Rob Halford has this really (this sounds cheesy) special presence about him.  He's a legend.


There's no denying that.

But I think that the bashing of Tim Owens was really uncalled for, and, I must admit that there are a couple of Halford-fronted albums that I enjoy less than Jugulator, such as Ram It Down and Point of Entry.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 6:25pm
I think that the following Demolition is rather weak but Jugulator I actually quite like. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 6:26pm
Originally posted by Time Signature Time Signature wrote:

Quote Rob Halford has this really (this sounds cheesy) special presence about him.  He's a legend.


There's no denying that.

But I think that the bashing of Tim Owens was really uncalled for, and, I must admit that there are a couple of Halford-fronted albums that I enjoy less than Jugulator, such as Ram It Down and Point of Entry.


I agree it was totally unnecessary, and unfortunately for Ripper he got the same raw deal when he sang for Iced Earth.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 6:40pm
I think that both Priest and Iced Earth did a much better job at choosing Ripper as a vocalist than Iron Maiden did when they went with Bayley (who also got an undeserved raw deal from the fans IMO).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 7:08pm
Originally posted by Time Signature Time Signature wrote:

I think that both Priest and Iced Earth did a much better job at choosing Ripper as a vocalist than Iron Maiden did when they went with Bayley (who also got an undeserved raw deal from the fans IMO).


Totally agree.  Blaze is a great singer but I don't think he suited Maiden.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 7:33pm
Yeah, I like Jugulator too. Of course I prefer Halford-fronted Priest, but Jugulator is a pretty good album for what it is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2015 at 6:00am
Originally posted by Dobbie03 Dobbie03 wrote:

Originally posted by Time Signature Time Signature wrote:

I think that both Priest and Iced Earth did a much better job at choosing Ripper as a vocalist than Iron Maiden did when they went with Bayley (who also got an undeserved raw deal from the fans IMO).


Totally agree.  Blaze is a great singer but I don't think he suited Maiden.


Yeah, he does a perfect job on Wolfsbane's Down Fall the Good Guys for example.
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