The "core" thread
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Topic: The "core" thread
Posted By: ed_the_dead
Subject: The "core" thread
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2010 at 6:22am
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There seem to be quite a few metalcore enthusiasts around here. Hardcore in general seems to be a genre frequently frowned upon by "true" metalheads. Metalcore/Deathcore/Mathcore get a lot of bad press because of that - people label it an immature, trendy musical mutant. I love good whatevercore. If well executed, it's much more powerful and energetic than typical metal, some bands like to play it the catchier and epic way (Killswitch Engage, All That Remains), some keep it br00tal (Despised Icon, All Shall Perish). There are also quite a few experimental bands, who started off as whatevercore and wandered off into experimental territory (The Dillinger Escape Plan, Converge). Core comes in many shapes and sizes. Feel free to share your favourite bands/albums. My top 5 (in no particular order) at the moment would be: Killswitch Engage - The End of Heartache All Shall Perish - Awaken the Dreamers The Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works Parkway Drive - Horizons Despised Icon - The Healing Process |
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Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2010 at 7:46am
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Before I got into "actual" Metal I used to love -core. Bands like Bullet For My Valentine, Atreyu, Avenged Sevenfold and bands like that. I still like -core now but it's mostly Metalcore and Deathcore, not Melodic Metalcore or Mathcore. Bands like Killswitch Engage and (my previous favourite band) Bullet for My Valentine are now among my least favourite of all time.
Another thing that annoys me about -core is the massive overuse of breakdowns. Nothing annoys me more than bands like Emmure and The Acacia Strain, whose only point is to play breakdown after breakdown.
But yeah, bands like Parkway Drive, Burn in Silence, Burning Skies, Bleeding Through and such are awesome
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Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2010 at 7:46am
Oh and I don't know if you know this but Despised Icon unfortunately broke up 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2010 at 7:51am
I thought I read.... the "Gore thread" ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....  |
Posted By: ed_the_dead
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2010 at 10:14am
Despised Icon are still gonna play shows until 2011, so they're not dead yet. It is a shame, though - They are one of those bands that make really awesome deathcore. If All Shall Perish decide to disband I'm gonna go and shoot a few people, since those are my fav deathcore bands hands down.  |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2010 at 10:26am
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I have no problems with -core bands. I like a bunch of them and there's a bunch of them I don't like. What I've given up on in relation to -core is the genre subclassification. It's like the -core suffix can be attached to anything in order to create new genre terms (wasn't i Jeff Walker who anticipated the rise of mommycore and grandadcore?).
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Posted By: ed_the_dead
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2010 at 10:36am
People love subgenres, Time Signature  . But I do understand the problem. It's trendy to play whatevercore, the kids love it!  |
Posted By: The T 666
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2010 at 12:23pm
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Moved this to the Appreciation lounge just below... ------------- 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2010 at 2:08pm
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You know, in the Roman dialect core means 'heart' (it's cuore in standard Italian), so anything with 'core' in it tends to be the butt of jokes. I do like 'whatevercore' as a word quite a lot!
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Posted By: kshskang
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 12:34am
| I've never really been into -core metal in general. I just find it difficult to enjoy it. However, Sikth is considered mathcore and I like them. |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 5:20am
Yeah, if they didn't love -core subgenres, I guess there wouldn't be so many of them. -------------
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ed_the_dead wrote:Posted By: Beekeeper
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 6:56am
...and it isn't? Bands have been mixing hardcore and metal for decades, crust punk bands like amebix moved towards thrash metal territory, bands like S.O.D. incorporated hardcore elements into thrash to make crossover, some black metal bands lately have been moving toward crust punk and then you have grind which is pretty much the logical extension of hardcore incorporating elements of death metal as well. All those changes are pretty natural and logical progressions where elements of metal and hardcore have blended together fairly spontaneously. Metalcore isn't a very natural hybrid at all, it's not an entity residing along a logical musical progression like crossover thrash or grindcore, It's fairly artificially concocted when you think about it. Seems like metalcore bands just take melodic metal then add in angsty vocals and breakdowns to make it more accesible to young people. I have yet to see much/any evidence to the contrary. |
Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 12:13pm
I'd hardly say early Metalcore bands such as Merauder and Earth Crisis took melodic metal and added angsty vocals and breakdowns.
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Posted By: Citizen Erased
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 4:35pm
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I tend to prefer Hardcore/Post-Hardcore to Metalcore bands, simply because bands like Reuben, Meet Me in St Louis etc are as melodic and catchy as they are heavy. They aren't remotely metal though. I only really listen to Killswitch when it comes to metalcore. |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 8:00pm
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I really don't care for metalcore, which is strange because I absolutely love BTBAM. For the most part I can appreciate post hardcore bands though. Something about them seems more genuine than any -core band IMO. ------------- Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want. |
Posted By: Harry
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 10:48pm
BTBAM isn't really metalcore though. The last 3 albums are definitely much more in the deathcore vein, which is practically the same as death metal, just more noisy, dissonance and more of a tendency to have breakdowns. Really the only metalcore moment BTBAM have is that guest vocalist on Prequel to the Sequel doing the screams. Time signature changes, old school death metal inspired riffs, tech death band inspired riffs, death growls.......definitely technical progressive deathcore, not metalcore ------------- 
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Posted By: Beekeeper
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 7:16am
What? With regards to being more noisy and dissonant I don't think that's true at all, have you ever heard Gorguts? Pretty much all death metal has very dissonant riffs in fact it's probably one of the defining characteristics of death metal (note: obviously not melodic death metal). And more noisy? really? I wouldn't have thought so especially when you take into consideration that 'noise' is primarily a result of production. Considering deathcore is a very modern genre the majority of deathcore releases are highly compressed and well producued and in general pretty clean. To illustrate: Deathcore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEM9W14TsWQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEM9W14TsWQ Death Metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkwsC1zsqEU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkwsC1zsqEU From what I've seen the main differences are that deathcore has breakdowns and favours angsty shouts over lower register guttural and growling vocal styles. |
Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 10:48am
I wouldn't call it Deathcore, to me it just sounds like Progressive Metal with some breakdowns.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2010 at 3:32pm
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^That's what I think of with TGM, not necessarily any other album. While the compositional techniques BTBAM uses aren't really metalcore, their riffs seem firmly rooted in it, especially when you mix in the breakdowns.
Anyways, the difference between Death metal and deathcore seems pretty obvous to me. Death metal is far heavier and brutal with more agressive riffs, faster blastbeats and riffs, lower growls and bass/guitar, and an emphasis on technicality. Deathcore is mainly more hardcore based shouts and a huge emphasis on breakdowns, and really I don't see a lot of similarity between the two genres, besides the superficial elements like the amount of double bass and the distortion level of the guitars. ------------- Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want. |
Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2010 at 5:28am
True, but you do get some Deathcore bands that focus more on technicality than breakdowns such as The Red Shore for example (though you could argue they're just Technical Death Metal)
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 4:03am
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It's proably me who's incompetent, but I am incapable of drawing a clear line between melodic metalcore bands and melodic thrash metal and melodic death metal bands. It seems to me to be more like a continuum from Ax7 and Killswitch Engage over Shadows Fall and God Forbid and In Flames to Arch Enemy, "Heartwork"-era Carcass and At The Gates (the last couple of albums). I guess, to me, it's all just metal that blends melody and aggression, and then there are just different degrees of emphasis on one or the other. What I like about melodic so-called metalcoreand melodic thrash- and death metal is how eclectic the artists operating within those genres are. They really manage to take the best of different genres and styles of metal. As to death metal vs. death core - I'm sure it's possible to draw a continuum from genre to the other, which seems to be what DeathOfSeasons is indicating with the reference to The Red Shore. -------------
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Posted By: vmoore
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 9:08am
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between the buried and me are mentioned on here as core but aren't they more progressive then anything granted i do hear core elements in their music
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Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 5:18am
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Good music is good no matter what subgenre it is and it has geniune fans as well as trend followers. Sure theres a cool factor in liking core; but equally some people only like death metal or true metal because they think its cool. The problem isnt the music, its the fans. ...And its not much of a problem, its extra money, support and public awareness for metal and rock as a whole. -------------  My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: vmoore
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2013 at 9:54am
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All that remains and as i lay dying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2013 at 3:34pm
And now, three years later, I definitely have become much more competent at telling the difference - and I am increasingly getting bored with metalcore and deathcore bands, because the genre seems so formulaic. A lot of the bands sound alike, but there are, of course, some outstanding and groundbreaking acts within the genre.
I actually think that hardcore is more respected in the "true" metalhead community than metalcore, deathcore and similar subgenres are. -------------
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