The Proto Metal Appreciation Thread
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Topic: The Proto Metal Appreciation Thread
Posted By: Certif1ed
Subject: The Proto Metal Appreciation Thread
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 2:15am
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AKA Dawn of the Ancients.
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In ancient times, hundreds of years before the dawn of history, lived a strange race of men...
No one knows who they were or what they were doing, but their legacy remains, Hewn into the living rock.
We'll go back in time to that mystic land, where the dew drops cry and the cats meow - I will take you there, I will show you how...
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...and so it is that I welcome you to the strange but fascinating (and sometimes genuinely scary) world of proto metal. Every so often, I'll post a few YouTubes of a band in this thread, and together we can bang our heads with a serious expression on our faces until our ears bleed, savour the smoulderin' metal vibes until our noses bleed, touch the sharp edges of raw metal unti our fingers bleed, and smell... oh, sorry. Must lay off the chili...
The idea here is simple - we listen to and appreciate in quiet reverence the music of bands that went a bit beyond mere hard rock and produced something akin to heavy metal music, laying the foundations for sites like this, and about 80% of our music collection.
Or, we listen to and deride the crappy pentatonic noodling, godawful voices, clueless drumming and sad attempts at devilry, decrying the pathetic attempts with gales of laughter - your call.
I'm going to do this alphabetically - and I have a reasonably long list... it would be appreciated if any additional suggestions could be kept alphabetical also!
To kick off, here's a band I'm not altogether sure about - They're sometimes in the Atomic Rooster/Uriah Heep vein, but don't seem quite as consistent in the heavy department, as their other songs get very Styx-y (I don't mind Styx, it's just that they're not what I could call metal...).
Mind you, when this band are heavy, they're massive. I think that "Coming Is Love part ii" sounds a bit like something off Diamond Head's Canterbury album.
Both songs on the band's bio page are from the band's second album, released in 1973 and entitled "The Second Foot in Coldwater".
If you know of any other hard n heavy tracks by this band, stick a linky in this thread!;
Enjoy A Foot In Coldwater
/edit: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/a-foot-in-coldwater.aspx" rel="nofollow - A Foot in Coldwater are now added , (<- linky) and the videos are available on the band page.
To be honest, it sounds like only "The Second foot in Coldwater" is proto metal, and the rest is just very capable, melodic rock music - but check them out!
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Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 3:10am
Looking forward to this thread!   ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112" rel="nofollow - http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2011 at 3:27am
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So I'm thinking how best to format this thread - I first thought to include YouTubes, then thought that might be a bad idea for people with low bandwidth (yes, there are still plenty of them left!). Now I'm thinking maybe I'll keep the most current ones in here, then "move" them out of this thread to the band's bio page - any thoughts? Today's band are http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/agnes-strange.aspx" rel="nofollow - Agnes Strange <---LINKY! � This band have a cool, kinda NWoBHM pedigree - their album was released on a private label, which was sponsored by a pub chain owned by the Watneys brewery company! You can't get a lot more 1970s metal than that - even if the "Private" label was really a collaboration with PYE/RCA. � The album was a flop and sank without trace, and, more brillliantly (as far as the�story goes - this must've sucked badly for the band), their demo album never got released�until recently, when it was bundled up with a re-issue of the released album�- this whole story is so familiar to NWoBHM bands, that Agnes Strange may well have been the first. � Their first album, originally scheduled for release in 1972,�Theme For a Dream is a mixed bag - out of the seven songs, 2 are very interesting proto metal. � The title track is a kind of heavy psyche song, with jazzy inclinations and proggy sounds, so is of some interest. � Messin' Around is a fascinating piece of proto metal, with loads of guitar bluff in the intro including tapping, arpeggios and all kinds of messin' around�- and�it� sounds almost EXACTLY�like it's the template for Van Halen's "Eruption"� - I kid you not! � Graveyard is the 3rd song on here, and it's a feast of proto metal - hard, heavy, intense (for the time)�and grinding, with power chords shifting above an E pedal. � The others aren't�as metallic as the�last two,�although there's a long�Chuck Berry/Angus Young styled solo in the middle of the song "Rockin' in E", a kind of Quo-boogie piece. There are a couple of interesting heavy moments in "The Day Dreamer", and "Book With No Cover" sounds a bit like a badly played early�Def Leppard piece - which is handy, because that latter is on YouTube, while the metallic ones aren't. It has to be said that this is probably the worst piece on the album (IMHO); � � The second album "Strange Flavour" is full of grinding hard boogie that predicts NWoBHM�bands like Spider and Predatur. Stand out songs are "Motorway Rebel", which grinds hard, "Travelling",�has a surprising kind of Judas Priest with deep vocals flavour to it, the title track rocks really hard, as does the next track�"Loved One" (after the mellow intro); I absolutely LOVE "Failure" with it's crunchy, metallic intro and further Priest flavourings�and�"Children of The Absurd", the next track, full of screeching and atmospheres - rather simplistic, but I prefer the term "honest" - and when it rocks, it ROCKS. PIty those aren't on YouTube... � "Odd Man Out" is cool enough, but I was impressed by the intensity (if not the actual playing) of "Highway Blues" - a slow boogie 12-bar, almost exactly like "The Jack" by AC/DC. � I'll dig out mp3's for this band, because the ones I've highlighted are really worth hearing. If you enjoyed the tunes I posted here, you'll enjoy the other ones even more. Hope you enjoyed Agnes Strange. |
Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2011 at 4:24am
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Nice!
1 1/2 minutes in on "Book With No Cover" and I thought Lemmy was guesting on vocals
 Nice idea switching the vids to the band page btw. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112" rel="nofollow - http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2011 at 7:34am
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Next up is http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ancient-grease.aspx" rel="nofollow - Ancient Grease . <---LINKY! � Man, these guys NEVER gave up - they kept chasin' the dream. � John Weathers, the same that later spent a long time beating the skins for prog heavyweights Gentle Giant, noticed a band called Strawberry Dust on his local circuit, where he was playing with a band called Eyes of Blue, that had formed in the mid 1960s. � He was so impressed with Strawberry Dust, that he offered to do a demo with them - and he�just so happened to have a good album's worth of songs, which was handy, as Strawberry Dust were a covers band with no original material. During the process, however, some of the band were so inspired that they did come up with new stuff. � Producer, Lou Reizner wasn't keen on the band's name, though, and came up with the superb alternative - Ancient Grease (presumably inpsired by Joe Cocker's Grease Band) - and the album, which was released in 1970, is entitled � Women and Children First � It's split roughly 50/50 between hard rockin' stompers with a huge grind, and more delicate, psychedelic flavoured pieces, but those stompers are pretty damn heavy for 1970; Check the band's page on this website for some samples!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 2:50am
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A quick one today - this band released only one single. There's a NWoBHM link straight away... If you haven't heard of Chris "Ace" Kefford, you're in for a treat. In December of 1965, together with Roy Wood, Bev Bevan and Carl Wayne, he formed one of the most influential rock/pop groups since The Beatles - The Move. In November of 1967, The Move toured with The Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Pink Floyd and Amen Corner - and The Move also supplied backing vocals to the song "You Got Me Floatin'" on Hendrix's "Axis: Bold As Love" album. After the single "Fire Brigade" peaked at number 3, Kefford left in early 1968 and formed his own band, The Ace Kefford Stand - or rather, he hijacked a rather good drummer from a very popular band called Young Blood (formerly The Sorcerors); Young Blood - Green Light (1968) He then recruited Young Blood organist, Pete's brothers, Dave and Dennis Ball on lead and bass guitar respectively - but all they managed to release was this rather powerful cover of The Yardbirds "For Your Love", with the rather heavy and strangely named "Gravy Booby Jam" on the flipside. The band actually recorded 8 songs under producer Tony Visconti - including a song called "Save The Life of My Child", which featured Jimmy Page on guitar (I think Page played guitar for just about everyone in the 1960s - in fact, reading up on all the musicians involved reveals them to be highly incestuous, in a musical way), but to the best of my knowledge, none of this has found its way into the wild yet. Here are the two only released pieces by The Ace Kefford Stand (1969). Oh - I forgot to mention who the drummer was. It was Cozy Powell. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 2:13am
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I need a bit of help with the next one on the list - it's a band featuring legendary Atomic Rooster guitarist, John Du Cann, Andromeda - not the more recent Swedish "Progressive" metal band, it should be noted. It should be noted that Du Cann was with Atomic Rooster only for their good stuff - he left fairly promptly and formed a band called Daemon - pretty metal, huh? He quickly went on to form Hard Stuff, who are so proto metal it hurts, and joined Thin Lizzy for a spell - it'd be quite good in a way to have an entry specifically for Mr Du Cann! � Having listened to�Andromeda's album, I'm in a bit of a dilemma, as�it's not at all metal - except for a fairly lengthy section which quotes Mars: God Of War from Holst's Planets Suite. � The album was notably released in 1969 - so it just predates Black Sabbath, and you can clearly�hear the same classical piece underlying the song "Black Sabbath" - indeed, that famous tritonic melody�seems to infuse�everything Sabbath did, and has been used by many, many other bands after Sabbath - Diamond Head's "Am I Evil" being the most obvious example and�Journey's "Kohoutek", from their 1975 debut album being one to discover. � Deep Purple's "Child In Time" also alludes to it - although rhythmically, although it's totally possible that the allusion could be to Ravel's "Bolero", as the rhythmic constructions are similar. Anyway, I digress mightily... � John Du Cann's history is interesting, nay, fascinating; He was formerly involved with a band that have become a bit legendary among Freakbeat/Garage/Mod collectors called The Attack - replacing Davy O'List, who would go on to join Keith Emerson in The Nice�- , who have also been suggested for proto (The Attack, that is, not The Nice...); � � The Attack are famous for being the band that wrote "Hi Ho Silver Lining", and getting really cross when Jeff Beck trumped them with his version; � � After he left The Attack, he was briefly in Five Day Week Straw People, an interesting but unexciting psychedelic band (unless psychedelic rock excites you, of course...). � http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/the-attack.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/the-attack.aspx � � ...anyway, here's the sole Andromeda piece which puts the band up for nomination - I won't add them until they've had a few thumbs up. � � � ...so a worthy addition on the basis of this piece alone? � I'm not sure - but it's well worth a listen. � � �
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Posted By: goskoski
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2011 at 10:02pm
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The Beatles - Helter Skelter:
The Beatles/Deep Purple:
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Posted By: goskoski
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2011 at 10:07pm
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 3:14am
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^Thanks for those. � TWO today - because I went a bit ahead of myself... First is Asoka, a Swedish Hard/Jazz rock outfit with a chainsaw-meets-a-piliedriver�approach to jazz rock; � http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/asoka.aspx" rel="nofollow - [COLOR=#ffffff - Review Asoka here[/COLOR - . � � Next is a real off-the-wall one. � Atilla. � Featuring a very young Billy Joel. � By Billy's�account, it's the worst record he's ever made - so that surely makes it OK for metal fans - if the piano man himself hates it, it's probably worth listening to, no? � So Billy Joel proto metal? What next? � Well, next is the fact that the instrumentation features no guitars whatsoever - it's just drums, keyboards and vocals. � http://www.allmusic.com/album/attila-r990" rel="nofollow - [COLOR=#ffffff - There's a crucifying review on AllMusic[/COLOR - too - but there�is�also a review which proclaims it as " http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/review/804" rel="nofollow - [COLOR=#ffffff - fairly close to beating Deep Purple at their game with just an organ and drums[/COLOR - ." � � But check out the sleeve!! � Check out the attitude, aggression and pure, naked proto-metalness off it all... I say all. There are many moments where the music in almost every song seems to slide towards the upbeat, and something of the Billy Joel we all know today just can't hold itself back - but fortunately there is a lot of the aggressive stuff too - so enjoy Atillia - one of the scariest additions to any proto metal list (and it seems to appear on most). � Check out the song names - VERY metal! � � ...Is that the first blast beat at 2:00, or just a Buddy Rich/Gene Krupa�imitation? http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/atilla.aspx" rel="nofollow - [Review it here -
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 3:01am
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Today I wanted to focus solely on Aunt Mary, who were awesome - but some helpful soul (I think they're up later) sent me a link to a band called Atlee. � Can't say I was convinced, so I won't add it unless there's a huge demand, lack of other things to do, or a distinct�lack of album covers with boobies on or something - check out the psychedelickness; � (From the 1970 album, Flying Ahead) � � � The next band�produced some�proto metal though - we are not worthy of Aunt Mary. � I won't go into too much detail - you can http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=868.com" rel="nofollow - check them out on ProgArchives.com - but they can bloody well share this band! � Three albums of amazing music -�in comparison, the debut�it makes Atlee sound heavy - but there's a pleasing similarity to the music of Shocking Blue, who are an extremely non-guilty pleasure of mine, so I thought I'd share it anyway; http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/aunt-mary.aspx" rel="nofollow - Review Them Hear! So that's A over and done with (until I get sent links to any other bands beginning with A who played proto metal before 1974(ish))  .] |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 6:49am
Thanks a lot for this thread Mark, keep'em coming! 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 2:25am
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^Thanks - try and stop me!
I'm quite excited about B, because one of my all-time favourite proto metal bands begins with the letter B - and I don't mean Black Sabbath (I am wondering why Sabbath are currently listed under proto metal at all, but I'll worry about that later...).
I'll confess now, I did skip over Atomic Rooster - but I'm assuming that they're well known enough to not require an introduction.
First up in the B section is Bang.
http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/bang%28united-states%29.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/bang(united-states).aspx
Bang released no less than 3 full-length albums - so why they aren't more widely known I'll never know.
According to interviews I've read, they were inspired by The Beatles (like everybody else in the late 1960s!), Black Sabbath and Grand Funk Railroad. They gained recognition by gatecrashing an event in Orlando that featured Rod Stewart and The Faces and Deep Purple. After convincing the promoter to let them play, he arranged gigs supporting Steppenwolf (Richmond, V.A), Alice Cooper, Mountain, Humble Pie, Three Dog Night and others.
Along with the 3 officially released albums on Capitol Records, Bang also recorded an album which to this day has never been released - word from the band is that it's heavier than any of the official releases, and has a working title of "Death Of A Country". They also recorded some singles, which have never been released and have become known as The Lost Singles. These songs are available on Bang's website (link is available through the artist's bio - link above!
The first album is probably the heaviest - here's the opening song, "Lions, Christians..."
This next clip is fascinating - the only surviving live clip of the band, from 1971. It starts with the album recording of "Lions, Christians...", but quickly moves on to other material from that time, so stick with it!
Next, a song from the second album, "Mother";
A song from the 3rd and final album - sadly, I couldn't find any of the heavy numbers on YouTube, but this song is nice enough;
...and to wrap up, the title track of the "Missing Album";
edit: Updated 16th Feb
MUST do my research more thoroughly!!!!
I just found out that Bang! released two albums in the 2000s - "Return To Zero" and "The Maze" - and they're both pretty good!
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 3:28am
But you are on the Proto team  |
Certif1ed wrote:Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 3:55am
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^Indeed. We're not joined at the hip...
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2011 at 2:45am
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Another Cozy Powell band for you (see Ace Kefford Stand above) - this guy practically invented Metal drumming!
Bedlam
http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/bedlam.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/bedlam.aspx
Bedlam was formed from members of Ace Kefford Stand - most articles I've read incorrectly state that the guys were from Sorcerers/Youngblood, for whom Cozy also played.
All articles correctly state that the members of the band included the Ball brothers - so this is how I came to link Bedlam to the correct root.
The guys came to Bedlam via a band I'll feature later, called Big Bertha, who released some material. They then became Beast, briefly, but sadly, Beast didn't release anything. Then came Bedlam, in 1973.
Bedlam released a solitary album, produced by Felix Papparaldi of Mountain fame, on which the drumming is, of course, amazing. They also recorded a live album, which was only released in 2004, 6 years after Cozy's tragic death. The story behind this live album is well told http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/bedlam--live-in-london-1973%28live%29.aspx" rel="nofollow - elsewhere , so I won't re-tell it - I'll just post some of the great music!
R.I.P. Cozy
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Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2011 at 2:54am
Nice!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112" rel="nofollow - http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2011 at 4:16am
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Wow Mark, this is a really great thread. Lots of new info for me. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2011 at 4:37pm
Same here! I must confess to not being very familiar with many of the bands here, so this is tons of great material for me to look into.  Thanks Mark! ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 2:11am
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Thanks guys - I must say that doing the research into these bands is a kind of obsession of mine, so it's great to see some more potential proto addicts...
I've compiled a new list to integrate with the existing bands-to-add list - I keep discovering "new" proto metal bands all the time. Today's band preceeds "A", as it begins with a number - and I found a couple more for A, so excuse me as I back-pedal a bit;
31 Flavours / AKA Firebirds
Massively fuzz-drenched psychedelic rock that clearly marks a kind of missing link between Hendrix and Sabbath - Hendrix could scrape the proto list (after discussion), but these guys are so freakin' heavy they just have to be here.
Given that the guys are session musicians, I'm guessing that the sloppy playing is deliberate - the overall effect is certainly astonishingly heavy, especially on the track "Distortions of Darkness" - what a great title! Also, check out the proto thrash on the first song, "No Tomorrows".
This quote from http://www.redwitchanalogpedals.com/Forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238" rel="nofollow - Red Witch forum sums it up really well - no need for me to re-invent the wheel unless the author complains!
"The Firebirds were a session group for the UK fad exploitation label 'CROWN'.
They did a lot of goofy records under numerous pseudonyms, but their LP as sub-Jimi Hendrix Experience clones The Firebirds (called 'Light My Fire', but oddly not carrying the Doors hit of the same name / era) is a slab of inspired acid damaged mayhem! All the Hendrix cliches are on rampant display, the drummer out-Mitches Mitch Mitchell by playing 90% fills throughout the entire record, the bassist / singer croons like Cream's Jack Bruce, the guitarist freaks the hell out - just like the boss said.
The whole of it approaches a kind of hi-test Blue Cheer or Black Sabbath - just non-stop fryalator fuzz, and considering the purpose - album rack filler designed to confuse Grannies while birthday shopping for the wee ones - pretty damn impressive.
They also released 'Hair' under the name 31 Flavors. That album has some more quality garage pounding including 'Distortions of Darkness' (dumbest title ever?), an instrumental version of 'Light My Fire's 'Reflections' (itself a mutated, mutilated 'Foxy Lady'), slowed down and detuned into the heaviest track of '69, I guarantee! The best part?
Who the band members were remains a total mystery!"
http://savagesaints.blogspot.com/2009/09/firebirds-31-flavors-light-my-fire-hair.html" rel="nofollow - There's a comprehensive and largely appreciative review of the album here .
The Firebirds - Light My Fire - No Tomorrows. Proto thrash begins around 0:50, but the intro is slow and doomy (and very, very, sloppy indeed - great!);
31 Flavours - Hair - Distortions of Darkness. Just awesome - turn this bad boy right UP!!!
Black who?
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Posted By: IndianaJones
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 11:57am
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What a cool thread! Lots of interesting stuff to dig in, and I've only got to the Ace Kefford bit so theres a lot more to explore. Some of these are acually pretty good, like Ancient Grease, pity that I probably will never get a hang of "Women and Children First", for it seems to be quite a collectors' item. Also it's always nice to hear Cozy Powell thrashing out the drums, thank you very much! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2011 at 2:17am
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^You're totally welcome!
You can pick up the Ancient Grease album on CD from Amazon; http://www.amazon.com/Women-Children-First-Ancient-Grease/dp/B000Z6WZU2%3FSubscriptionId%3D1XQB0RHSKVPAJR0A1F82%26tag%3Dmetalmusicarchives-20%26linkCode%3Dsp1%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB000Z6WZU2" rel="nofollow - http://www.amazon.com/Women-Children-First-Ancient-Grease/dp/B000Z6WZU2%3FSubscriptionId%3D1XQB0RHSKVPAJR0A1F82%26tag%3Dmetalmusicarchives-20%26linkCode%3Dsp1%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB000Z6WZU2
...although if you're a purist like me and want the vinyl, you're looking at 10 times that for a playable copy.
Apologies for going AWOL - but let's dive straight back in;
Today I have the first of many Australian bands for you - although the name suggests North American Indians to me;
Blackfeather
http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/blackfeather%28australia%29.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/blackfeather(australia).aspx
Blackfeather featured Fraternity vocalist Ronald Scott on the cover of Fraternity's "Seasons of Change", a nice, melodic but mostly non-metallic song - with maybe a nod or wink to Deep Purple's "Child In Time" in places. Ronald, or Bon to AC/DC fans appears as percussionist only, before you get too excited! If you know Fraternity's version, then check out Blackfeather's - I think it's better in many ways.
They played a fair amount of straightforward hard rock, infused with melodic folksy-proggy music, but dabbled in all sorts of musical areas, as did many bands in the late 1960s-early 1970s, really rocking out when they wanted to. Their influences seem to come from just about everywhere - I detect some Wishbone Ash, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Gentle Giant - but there's all sorts of stuff I can't put a definite finger on.
This cover of "Tomorrow Never Knows" is really striking - and about 3 minutes in or so, the piece starts to rock out, emerging from the very sparse arrangement of this very familiar song - there's some good shredding for 1970 too;
Their cover of "Gimme Shelter" is a much more obvious candidate.
I really dig this piece for the "Arabic" flavours brought about through use of the Phrygian mode / harmonic minor scale - which makes a welcoms change from all the pentatonic noodle so typical of the time, and the underlying bolero rhythm links in well with metal - it reminds me of some of the Scorpions early material (1974 on), although the musical flavours dart about and change madly;
This is the heaviest song by far, though - check out this doomy track, entitled "Rat Suite" (a tribute to Black Sabbath's "Rat Salad" from "Paranoid" of the previous year, no doubt - but a good one);
I would recommend staying away from the title track - it's "heavy", but only in the same way that most of "Twink's" "Think Pink", or The Deviant's "Ptooof!" are heavy... ie, in a somewhat lysergic manner, man... not good to bang your head to at all!
So I hope you'll agree, Blackfeather are a worthy addition in their own right - mostly for the outstanding guitar playing of John Robinson - and not just because Bon Scott played tambourine for them...
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 6:49am
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Blackwater Park
http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/blackwater-park.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/blackwater-park.aspx
Nothing whatsoever to do with Opeth, to the best of my knowledge, this German act emerged from the heavier sector of the Krautrock scene only to fade into obscurity after a single album, the charmingly titled "Dirt Box".
Bassist Andreas Scholz also features on another heavy Krautrock obscurity, "Murphy Blend", by First Loss, released in 1970.
To answer the question "why this heavy Krautrock band and not 100 others", here are a couple of YouTubes;
Stirring stuff!
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:52am
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^ Opeth's album is a tribute to them (in what regards the title, not more). These guys are great, and indeed I can sense the metal sneaking through the hard rock / heavy prog. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:30am
So far this is the best sample on this page. And you gotta admit the tambourine is outstanding.  |
Posted By: Pavlos
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 12:49pm
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This is some really incredible stuff that you�re posting here. Keep�em coming!!! |
Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:44pm
Well, I'd say Sabbath are traditional heavy metal and not proto, but since they're listed as such here....I really love em  Also been listening to a lot of 60's rock as of late, made me remember how AMAZING Blue Cheer's "Vincebus Eruptum" is! ------------- Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer and Testament. The real Big Four of thrash metal! Listen to doom metal, worship Satan |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 2:05am
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This one is about as late as proto metal gets - in fact, most bands with releases after 1974 I would be tempted to push towards "Traditional" rather than proto, simply because of the date.
However, Sweden's BL�KULLA were so amazingly progressive in approach that I feel they were ahead of their times in many ways, hence I hear them as having a proto-progressive metal sound. Even if you don't agree, exposure to this awesome and unique band is necessary - I'd bet even the most ardent obscure metal fan is unfamiliar with this lost gem.
Start with this one - after you've been bowled over by the synth-heavy doomy atmosphere, with flavours of Mountain and possibly early Priest, check out the guitar solo around 2:50 - it's something Tipton or Downing would have loved to have been able to play in 1975;
Then check this one out as it meanders through all manner of styles, with more of a prog focus than a metal focus, similar to some of Rush's (LATER) outings, with flavours of Yes and Genesis - there's plenty there for prog AND metal fans, even though there's not an awful lot of headbanging nirvana, the guitar soloing is supremely melodic and epic, particularly in the last 3 minutes or so;
...just goes to show that Proto metal isn't just a simple metallic extension of vanilla hard rock - it's a very rich and varied field indeed.
...and is it me, or does the band's logo kinda resemble Metallica's?
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 3:52am
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Another one today - but only some YouTubes, as I will revisit them later in their better-known incarnation, Pentagram.
Bedemon were formed as a kind of side project to doom legends Pentagram by horror movie addict, Randy Palmer (RIP) - but read more about them on http://www.bedemon.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.bedemon.com - the story is fascinating. The really jaw-dropping bit for me was reading that Bedemon weren't really considered a band, despite recording an album - it was just a project.
A pretty awesome one though - turn this puppy right up!
A Sabbath tribute, maybe, but still worthy of an extra notch on your volume...
COWER, MORTALS!!!!
Great Title...
The best for last...
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2011 at 2:40am
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The problem with an awesome act like Bedemon is that they're impossible to follow - I mean music THAT heavy recorded in 1974?
So today's band are from 5 years earlier in history - and possibly need no introduction, as they had considerable success for a hard rock act in the early 1970s who weren't Zep, Purple, Sabbath, Heep or Atomic Rooster.
Bloodrock
http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/bloodrock.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/bloodrock.aspx
These guys get no prizes for original album names - Bloodrock, Bloodrock 2, Bloodrock 3, Bloodrock USA and Bloodrock Live???
The prizes go to just a handful of the songs really, which are fine examples of proto metal, particularly their hit single "DOA", with its awesome lyrics;
"Life is flowing out my body
Pain is flowing out with my blood The sheets are red and moist where Im lying God in Heaven, teach me how to die" The remainder tend to be over-long jams and riff collections with heavy flavours rather than a true metallic edge - but nonetheless, the proto-metal is there to be heard. The debut is the really interesting album - the follow-ups all seem to want to reach the wider (read "poppier") audience and don't come across as particularly metallic, but I think that's largely down to the production. The examples I've posted from the later albums will probably take a listen or two - there are good, gloomy metallic ideas in there submerged in the somewhat happy mire. Bloodrock 3 is better than 2, as an album, IMHO, but the debut rules.
The album covers are fine(?) works of gory art, with, predictably, loadsa blood. The debut has even got a rock on it as well - do you see what they did there? The cover of Bloodrock USA is my favourite, with some guy having his brains blown out by the huge, green demonic finger of the White House (you need to open the gatefold sleeve right up to see the demon coiled around the famous building!). Little bit of politics there.
DOA (Bloodrock 2, 1971)
Timepiece - about a guy on Death Row on the verge of meeting his doom (Bloodrock, 1970)
Melvyn Laid An Egg (Bloodrock, 1970)
Also recommended from Bloodrock "Fantastic Piece of Architecture". Not particularly metallic, but dark and beautiful.
Dier Not A Lover (Bloodrock 2, 1971)
Jessica (Bloodrock 3, 1972)
Breach of Lease (Originally on Bloodrock 3, this version from Bloodrock Live, 1972)
Magic Man (Bloodrock USA, 1972)
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 3:00am
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Everyone who's ever listened to metal for any length of time has surely heard of Blue Cheer, the so-called Godfathers of metal, right?
Most cite their cover of "Summertime Blues" from "Vincebus Eruptum" (1967) as the earliest heavy metal song.
Guess what?
I disagree!!!
I think Blue Cheer got more metallic on the next album, "Outside Inside", while Vincebus is distincly hard rock / blues, and punk in spirit.
"Just a Little Bit" is proto grunge, emphatically heavy psyche (and I mean HEAVY) and all those other things, and I don't want to try to put my finger on what makes it more metal than "Summertime Blues" - but here they both are for you to compare and contrast.
Check out the crazy drum beat in the verses, and the mayhem during the guitar solo and in the final burnout - how they kept that lot together I'll never figure.
"Gypsy Ball" is another great (and possibly even more) metallic track from "Outside Inside" that I had to share -
Blue Cheer are hardly obscure any more, and their albums are relatively easy to come by - there's no doubting their position as important pioneers in the world of HEAVY, but no more than Hendrix, Cream or The Yardbirds - or The Doors, come to that.
But crank their first 2 LPs up good and loud, and let the headbanging commence!! Awesome (if unbelievably sloppy) stuff!
"Outside Inside" remains my favourite of the two - it just improves with every listen. "Vincebus Eruptum" has one of the best album titles ever, but I find the music only has the "wow" factor on the first coupla listens. As ever, YMMV - enjoy!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 2:48am
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I'm going to skip over Blue Oyster Cult - surely everyone knows them?
Oh, go on then - here's the awesome "Workshop of Telescopes" from their 1972 debut;
Today's proto-metal band is another Blue one altogether - Blue Phantom, an Italian hard rock act, who released their debut in 1970 - and sound uncannily like some of the earliest Blue Oyster Cult material.
...although this song sounds suspiciously like Iron Butterfly to me;
I save the best for last - "Distillation" is almost more Sabbath-like than Sabbath, but not a direct clone by any stretch;
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2011 at 2:19am
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Today's unpromisingly named band hailed from Japan, and were releasing material as far back as 1969.
The Blues Creation features maestro Kazuo Takeda, and managed to release 4 albums in their short career.
The most interesting one, from a proto metal point of view, is the second, entitled "Demon & Eleven Children", with amazing titles like "Atomic Bombs Away";
Then there's the somewhat Sabbath-inspired title song of the album;
...and it never gets old - this is a band/album to explore;
Dig into their back catalogue - the debut is a kickass heavy blues album;
- I mean, all it really needs to be utter perfection is to have a nice Ritchie Havens tune a progressive arrangement and a beautiful woman added to the mix, right?
Voila!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2011 at 2:53am
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Ever thought that keyboards can't be metal?
If Billy Joel's Atilla didn't convince you, then maybe this Scottish group will.
Bodkin isn't really the most metal band name I've ever come across - even if it does mean a Mediaeval armour-piercing arrow.
Listening to the music, there does, indeed, appear to be some armour-piercing going on - although an arrow would suggest a precision instrument, while the music is very much of the blunt, crushing and cudgelling variety;
My favourite piece of theirs is "Aunt Mary's Trashcan" - a real bludgeon-fest.
The rest of the music (that I've been able to track down!) is more progressive-oriented, but still with that underlying monster-heaviness - and some nice tune titles;
Three Days After Death
...and some less metal names, but nice Purple/Rooster influences - you just can't have enough of that massive, filthy Hammond... can you?;
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2011 at 2:58am
| Oh man, that is cool |
Posted By: MAVIIIVAM
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 8:59pm
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Hey Certif1ed (and yes, you are certifiable with that 1st page intro )! Dont mean to rock the boat . . . Are we "not worthy" MMA members allowed to post some bands or is their another thread to do so? Because I too am really enjoying this thread (I think Mikael Akerfeldt would really get-off on this thread-he being such an Audiophile as well) and discovering some un-charted waters  .I'm still reeling in shock at "Atilla (w/Billy "The Piano Man" Joel)" . . . AMAZING! (I had heard of this band in his history but never heard them), and to hear some early Cozy Powell (before he joined The Jeff Beck Band) and his amazing drumming is really cool! It seems he's had that spiked wrist band before Rainbow  .I wanted to add some "Modern" Proto/Retro-Prog Metal, but didnt want to disrupt your Alphabetical order or step on any toes  .Looking foward to more of your ABC's! You certainly know your stuff!(. . . are we to be treated to Budgie soon? Possibly the original "Rush" ).------------- "If you're happy to be an Ant in the Sand Box, you're welcome to it!" -Forbidden For Progressive Metal and Prog Rock, come visit, request songs and explore at PrOgulus.com |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 9:11am
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Hey, this old boat has weathered many storms - it doesn't mind a little rocking - in fact, it's best when it rocks hardest in this case...
As far as I'm concerned, this thread is a free-for-all, and anyone who is capable of Googling up the proto metal bands listed here in our awesome archives is welcome to dig up as much info as possible and post YouTubes of the best material by these hitherto forgotten proto metal bands. See, I'm not as much of an expert in these things as Google is...
 I seem to have had a bit less time than I'd like for this recently, so if anyone wants to find out information about a band - and tie it into the rest of metal's genealogy, if possible, then locate a copy of their album (sometimes a very tricky task!) and share the amazing music for others to discover, then that's the purpose of this thread - go for it!
Anyone that can discover bands that Time Signature and I have missed gets muchos kudos - but only if they're really proto metal and not just some old hard rock / blues / psychedelic act... oh, where to draw the line!
As far as modern proto or retro metal is concerned, I think those would be worthy of their own thread, since there are hundreds of "genuine" (pre 1975) proto metal bands and albums for which this thread was intended - it's not an elitist thing, just a way of keeping it specific to an area of interest. I was thinking of creating a similar one for NWoBHM and "Traditional" metal.
The latter is especially interesting, as it would include many modern Trad bands as well as Classic ones, so there'll be plenty for everyone to discover.
The main difficulty for me is time - but I guess such threads would be good for other specific metal genres - I pinched the idea from the Slow Metal thread - but threads dedicated to tech, extreme, black, death, whatever, would all be interesting to genre fans, I'd think.
As far as Budgie - I wasn't going to do a post for them, as I'd think everyone knows at least some of their music, and, more pertinently, a thread on Budgie would take a lot of research, as they've released so many albums - the same can be said for Atomic Rooster and Blue Oyster Cult, both of whom are massively important proto metal bands, but I've missed them out.
Doesn't mean someone else shouldn't do a well-researched post on them, of course!
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Posted By: MAVIIIVAM
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 12:54pm
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Hehe . . . I understand completely . I also have things to attend to, so time is hard to find these days and in thecoming months. So we await patiently for more entries and possibly- branches of threads to enjoy .------------- "If you're happy to be an Ant in the Sand Box, you're welcome to it!" -Forbidden For Progressive Metal and Prog Rock, come visit, request songs and explore at PrOgulus.com |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 2:53am
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Boomerang
Formed by former Vanilla Fudge keyboardist Mark Stein, when drummer Carmine Appice and bass player Tim Bogert formed proto metal legends Cactus, Boomerang smashed their audience's senses with no less than 2 albums, one of which was not issued until recently - or so the rumour has it. Pretty amazing, given that their fresh-faced guitarist, Richard Ramirez was only 16 years old when they released their debut in 1971.
And that's about all the Interweb will tell me about the band - so here are the tunes to know and bang your head to;
Juke It
The Peddler - sounds just like Coverdale/Purple/Whitesnake to start with, then starts sounding like Riot!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 3:17am
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Boulder Damn - no, I don't have extra time today, it's just that not much info is available about these guys, so it's a nice, quick post.
The band came from the heavier end of the Psychedelic rock scene in Florida. Their sole album, Mournin' is widely regarded (among the very, very few people who have actually heard it) as a seminal Doom recording. The Black Sabbath / Alice Cooper influences are strong, but, as is often the case, only on one or two songs. Everything else is the predictable bluesy psyche-flavoured rock which pervades / invades the lovely doomy riffing of the two parts to Dead Meat.
Dead Meat;
Very apt... Monday Mournin - and check out the very, very familiar riff!!!
...after me... "Angus" . . . "Angus" . . . "Angus" . . .
Dead Mear Coda;
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 3:20pm
Some of that stuff is very interesting  I might look into some more of this stuff
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 2:07am
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Today's selection involves a guitarist you may have heard of, who is more famous for progressive rock and lute music - and starts with a few completely non-metal songs - but check out the guitar playing.
Just to reassure you, this is the lightest any of the proto metal bands gets - nevertheless, I think they're an important part of metal's history.
In the early 1960s, the guitarist of this proto metal band was a member of The Cellar Rockers - who sounded like this (clean-edged, pure rock and roll):
...before they disbanded, they tried again under the moniker The Hunters, in 1966, with a little success - again, check out the guitar playing and interesting use of modes to conjure a Russian flavour here:
The guitarist in question then released a solo album entitled "Talent For Sale":
The only song I could find on YouTube is "Revival of The Cat" - so here it is, but there's not much metal interest - it's a very soulful song - but with great guitar playing:
All of these are a pretty surprising prelude to the might of his next project, the mighty Brainbox: - and this was all on their debut album released in 1969. The rest of the album isn't even vaguely metallic, just really well played, progressive music with an interesting fusion of hard rock and soul.
The next installments will be far more metallic - not to mention scary - so hang on in there!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 3:35am
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This act took their name from Dracula author Bram Stoker, which really meant that use of the Hammond in one of its more Gothic sounding registers was pretty much compulsory. The music suggests more of a kind of wannabe Prog Rock act than a Metal group - but they're certainly sharper edged than Atomic Rooster, and strongly in the Heep mould - even if it in is a kind of Heep meets Ekseption vein...So let's uncloak the music, take a bite and stop the Vampire jokes right now.
Fast Decay
Blitz
My personal favourite: Poltergeist
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 7:35am
| ^ That was cool. I was a bit surprised to find them on PA in Prog-Related instead of a full-blown prog category (like Heavy Prog). |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 3:23am
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Today's slightly less obscure act have the least metal name I can think of - Bubble Puppy.
Nevertheless, they followed hot on the heels of heavy psych band 13th Floor Elevators, taking the psychedelic sound into the new dawn (or is it sunset?) of hard rock, and the smelting-pot for heavy metal.
The riffs are really crunchy and metallic to kick this song off - but the contrasting smooth vocals and bluesy soloing are a little off-kilter. Fortunately the heavy riffs make re-appearances. This is "proto", after all - and 1969 is before Black Sabbath (just!), and the second example contains some nice structural approaches and modal soloing.
Their other heavy tune is this one;
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Posted By: Pavlos
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2011 at 8:41am
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Oh master, will we ever see more material, or are we forever doomed to suffer without new protometal postings?!?! In other words: I WANT MORE!!!!! |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2011 at 9:22am
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I guess you got some demanding fans there Mark. Great to see so much interest in this thread ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2011 at 12:55pm
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My apologies - work has been exceptionally demanding of late - and I have been casting the net further and deeper in my search for the wierd, wonderful and wacked-out warriors of proto metal. Fear not, normal service will resume in this thread - for the time being, check the ever-growing proto metal database; http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/proto-metal%28subgenre%29.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/proto-metal(subgenre).aspx
(scroll right down for a continually updating list - almost every band has at least one vid for your enjoyment!)
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2011 at 1:56am
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Thanks for hanging in there - it's great to know this thread has followers, so I'm going to dig deep and try to post here at least once a week in future.Alphabetically, the next proto metal act is Budgie - but no need to feature them here, as everyone knows them. Oh, go on, here's "Crash Course in Brain Surgery", from their 1971 debut, produced by Black Sabbath and Judas Priest engineer of doom, Mr Rodger Bain. Sadly, we in the UK had to wait until 1974's "In For The Kill" for this song, but the lucky Americans got it on the Kapp Records release. Bang those heads.... NOW!!! ...and here's the ultra-heavy Guts for dessert. Yum! Now let's move on to an Australian band who were heavier than heavy and hotter than hot, liquefying rock all around them until the molten metal flowed, burning away all the lesser acts - which was basically everyone else - but never really made it outside of Aus. The band formed in 1971, from the remnants of an earlier act called Head, who had formed in 1968. Their coup de grace was blagging a support for Black Sabbath and a signing to Sabbath's label, Vertigo - which explains the extreme heaviness of their 1973 album "Volcanic Rock" - a MUST HEAR for any metal fan, IMHO, as it predates just about everyone except Sabbath. As a point of interest, bass player Pete Wells went on to form the legendary Rose Tattoo. From their 1972 debut "Dead Forever", here's BUFFALO; From the devastatingly awesome "Volcanic Rock" of 1973; ...and the somewhat extremely un-politically correct "I Only Want You For Your Body" Buffalo recorded 2 more albums, but they really couldn't compete with the earlier output; "Mother's Choice" and "Average Rock 'n' Roller" are both attempts to make a commercial album, with sackings of creative but wild band members, and the disillusionment of the bass player. Not bad, but the metal is no longer the driving element; All 5 albums were re-issued on Aztec records in 2006, I believe - remastered from the original tapes, the works.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2011 at 2:49am
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I've got 5 minutes, so here's another one; This band didn't release their album back in the day - I'm always a little suspicious of posthumous releases, as modern remixing and mastering techniques tend to add a metallic sheen where there was none before. But in this case, Bulbous Creation have that "authentic" sound, as the production appears to be untampered, and some blissfully dark, metallic and even Satanic song titles and lyrics. I'm not sure how authentic the album title is, but "You Won't Remember Dying" has a great ring to it! The album is mostly blues rock, but it's gems like these that stir the blood of proto-metal addicts everywhere - I mean, it was recorded in 1970, so it's not very likely that these guys had actually heard Black Sabbath, and yet...; (does that sound a bit like "Dazed and Confused" or is it me?). - a few Priestisms in that last one!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2011 at 1:50am
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Touted as a "Psychedelic blues band with significant prog leanings", with comparisons to all the well-known contemporary heavy bands - Heep, Purple, Led Zep and AR, Bull Angus are a blast out of the unknown past to most of us, despite releasing 2 LPs on the Mercury label.
They have a bit of a cult following - and it's not hard to hear why. Their musical style is rich and varied, with strong tinges of Grand Funk Railroad, and very melodic.
Although it's more hard rock than Proto metal, I wanted to share this one from their 1st LP simply because it kicks so much ass. Around 1:50 listen out for a brief flurry of twin guitar work that evokes Iron Maiden (the current band!);
There's something very dark and tingly about this next gen psychedelic number that evokes Sabbath in their "lighter", doomier moments;
The quality of the music never lets up for a second;
Their second album is easily as good as the first, everything is mashed up with other genres, with light jazz flurries, rich vocal harmonies and strong melodies;
...and the heavier stuff is still very, very present!
An awesome band - fully deserving of rescue from obscurity!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2011 at 2:06am
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As a bonus, here are a couple of songs from Cactus and Captain Beyond, both of whom require little introduction to fans of classic rock, so are included in this thread merely for completeness!
Now that's what I call a double dose of HEAVY.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2011 at 2:21am
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^Man I just love that debut album by Captain Beyond. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 2:16am
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Here's a really, really odd one - and if it wasn't for the fact that the artist involved is American, it could be considered the first obscure NWoBHM single.
Captain Foam is the unlikely name of the hero of this single - the date of release1968 is suggested by most sources that actually attach a date to it. I find it hard to buy that from the sound of the production, the styling of the Picture Sleeve, but I've heard a few of the other undated singles released on that label, which sound far more like music from 1968. I'll put one or two of those below so you can verify it for yourself - the sound here really is that astonishing for the time.
Not much is known about our Captain, other than he was from Ohio, and was billed as a one-man band (although he included a drummer in his live sets, who was known as The Doctor - if he played all the instruments on the recording, then he was an unbelievably astonishing all-round musician. The suggestion is that he drafted in some session musicians - but no-one seems to know where he came from, or where he went afterwards, or even who he was...
 Soundling strikingly like a metal version of Jefferson Airplane, with hints of Argent and Van Halen (1:05 - 1:30ish) the only single, No Reason is a real psychedelic curiosity with massive, bone-crushing riffs, defining the term "drenched in feedback".
The B-Side is far more chilled and mellow, but maintains a nice, melancholic tone that wouldn't be completely out of place on a Black Sabbath album - and continues in the Airplane mould, so perhaps the 1968 date isn't so far-fetched.
Whatever - here are both sides. Prepare to be destroyed utterly by the A-Side.
A: Side
B: Side
Johnny Holiday, also on Bold records (not metal, but it's totally kickin'!)
The Chylds - I couldn't find their only release on Bold records, #337 (Captain Foam's is 377) - but I found that they lasted until 1969, released several singles, and their drummer, Joe Vitale, who went on to play with Ted Nugent's band, The Amboy Dukes. Again, this is bangin' heavy funk - but the most compelling evidence for the jaw-dropping date that the Captain Foam single lays claim to.
Now scroll back and listen to "No Reason" again. How the funk did that monster get unleased on a psych/funk label?
Who cares, it's un unsung legend!
...update...
Couldn't resist a little more digging into this one, and there's some meaty background;
(copied and pasted wholesale from http://www.buckeyebeat.com/lordrich.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.buckeyebeat.com/lordrich.html
Lord Richie and the Mariners were considered wildest and rockin'est band in the (Canton) area, and had a huge following. Fronted by Richard Bertram, who was known as having the longest hair in NE Ohio band scene, the group played teen clubs from the Note in Ruggles Beach down to New Philadelphia.
Billy Rosenthal recalls - "They formed in early 65 and I saw them at the skating rink in downtown canton. About 6 months later my band, The Daytones, opened up before Lord Ritchie at the Southgate Shopping Center. By this time they had evolved into one of the wildest combos known to man . Standout songs were MYSTIC EYES, Down the Road Apiece, Mona, Route 66, Down Home Girl, the list goes on and on. They were by far the coolest band in our area, even the early Chylds could'nt touch this band." A Mariners gig would often end with the band smashing their gear a'la the Who, but word is they did it before Pete, Keith, and Roger. To the best of our knowledge, the group never recorded, and certainly never issued a 45. After the group disbanded in '67, Richie adopted the "Captain Foam" moniker. See the Captain Foam entry for more details. "'Captain Foam and the Doctor was a two piece band out of Canton from 1967 till probably around 70. Richard Bertram played all guitars and Mike O'brien was on drums. Ritchard previously had led Lord Ritchie and the Mariners, and Mike O'Brien had been in the Angry and The 18th Century. Captain Foam was probably the loudest band I ever hear live.'"
"...if Ohio garage forums are to be believed, there's an entire unreleased album as well, recorded at Peppermint (home of the Left End, among many others). I also saw that some Termbos a year or so ago were talking about a bootleg live record of these guys, 'Captain Foam And The Doctor, Live At The Keg.' " |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 1:16am
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While doing some bank holiday weekend research, I came across this obscure single from a band from the Netherlands, somewhat disappointingly called Bag.
While quite obviously derived from the Psychedelic/Krautrock scene, the A side contains much that makes me think proto metal - and the B side is so huge, doomy and Sabbath-like that it's a real pity this is the only known recording of this group.
There's very little information about them anywhere on the internet, so enjoy both sides of the single - and, if you happen to know anything about them or have recordings, I'm first in line
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 7:14am
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Here's a couple to make your face melt;
First up, a Canadian band featuring guitar legend Walter Rossi, with a name (and sound) that wouldn't have been out of place in the NWoBHM;
From 1972 - the intro is stunning, although it kinda takes a dive after that;
This one is like a lost Led Zeppelin piece...
and this defies belief
Next up is a French band, with the auspicious monkier Chico Magnetic Band. This lot, especially Chico himself, were a bunch of wierdos, ready to try (and successfully pull off) anything. I read all the time about bands who "push boundaries" and "explore new musical territories", and I'm almost always disappointed that these bands end up being awful rehashes of something else I'm familiar with, the only "twist" being that they're just not as good. In this case, pushing boundaries and exploring new musical territories is so inherent in the music that you can feel very disoriented after listening to this stuff - it's good shit, man!
Their doutput isn't 100% proto metal, but it is 100% astonishing and ahead of it's time in so many ways.
Here are the rockers - and they're good ones... did I say "good"? I'm talking mega-doomy Sabbath style, with added wierdness and drunkeness... In the face of the above, the following may be a little predictable... for the first 10 seconds of Arthur Brown-inspired genius. Then it all goes wierd and heavy, like Santana mixed with Hendrix, Hawkwind and Sabbath. Those are just convenient reference points to avoid complete disorientation, BTW. Skip this one if you're not really smitten by funky stuff, but it's my favourite from the album, proto metal or not. It is extremely heavy for the time, and very wierd. I might have mentioned that these guys are wierd. Like White Noise/Delia Derbyshire meets Grand Funk Railroad and a bunch of the heaviest Krautrockers for a particularly heavy all-nighter. I need a dark room to lie down in after that lot... |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 11:07am
| Awesome. |
Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: 31 May 2011 at 2:04pm
Sorry Certif1ed. I have to respectfully disagree with you on AFIC second album as IMO it is more AOR oriented than thier first by far. The Foot's s/t debut has some real cookers on it with the heavy hammond hammering in the vien of Purple, and like you stated Atomic Rooster and Uriah Heep. No question there is a couple of laid back/mainstream tracks and the great ballad (Make Me) Do Anything You Want. Just a great tune to waltz with the ladies back in the day.
I have Breaking Through on vinyl on the Anthem label(Rush) after Daffodil records went bankrupt, the band's original label. A big dissappointment with this album. AOR and even some soft rock/pop tracks contained. I have never found Leggat's s/t debut and only release which AFIC's Hugh Leggat and Danny Taylor formed after the demise of AFIC.
Fantastic thread so far. Excellent reviews and info.
Hope I can help out in later posts. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2011 at 8:52am
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Glad you're enjoying the thread - feel free to bring in any artists you feel should have some spotlight time.
Obviously, I'm trying to get an alphabetical thing going on - but since I started this thread, I've discovered quite a few more in the A-C range - I'm wondering when I'll get to D, or IF I'll ever get to Z at this rate!
As for AFICW, I'll go back and listen again (always a pleasure!), but what I meant was that I could hear more of what I would describe as proto metal on the second - the debut does indeed rock harder, but to my hears it's "purer" heavy blues rock, with fewer metallic overtones. I've stuck a few tracks from the debut below - it's still perfectly valid proto metal, but there's a bit more "swing" than swagger - and too many strings for my taste!
As you say, much is in the vein of Hammond-driven rock - and while I've already discovered Atilla, to my utmost amazement, proving that Hammonds can do metal, to my ears that really is an exception.
Where the second rocks, especially in "Coming of Love pt 2", there's metal in them thar riffs!
It's tricky to state with accuracy or with any kind of scientific measurements the difference between hard rock and metal - but I have deliberately missed out quite a few bands that appear on others' proto-metal lists, and included several that don't.
I think that proto metal isn't just any old hard rock act, and in some cases, even a really heavy sound isn't the convincing factor:
In one or two notable cases, like Coven, for instance, some proto metal acts have a decidedly non heavy sound, and would never have got within an inch of this site based on the music alone - the proto metal aspects are entirely in the image and band attitudes. Really, you can't get much more metal than a band of satanists who use the devil's horn hand symbol and write songs with titles like "Black Sabbath", before Sabbath came into being. Even the bass player's name - John Osbourne - reminds me of a decidedly metallic band...
Sir Lord Baltimore, on the other hand, I have serious doubts about - it doesn't matter how heavy the sound is, heavy metal is a two-word phrase.
...and trust me, if The Heavy Metal Kids were called anything else, I would not have added them.
Now, where did I put my copy of AFICW's debut?
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2011 at 9:51am
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...I have some serious catching up to do with myself... er...
One of the reasons I haven't been able to update this thread as often as I'd like is that I'm continually hearing music that is new to me that comes from someone's dusty cellars. Usually from the darkest, dankest, most spider-ridden corners, just behind the suspicious chalk markings on the walls and floors.
So here are just a few of the "A"'s I've added recently, which all go to show that proto metal came into being a very, very long time ago, and it wasn't restricted to America the UK and Germany;
1) The Accent - not your average Brit psyche/beat act - this song has traditional metal elements on top of the more obvious origins; There's the picky, folksy acoustic intro, the heavy, revved up choruses, the long guitar solo, wooey noises, instrumental breakdowns and transition passages, and lyrics with a decidedly occult flavour. I just thought this really stood out from most of the music I've heard from 1967;
2) After Shave. There's the metal link, right there... so sharp I nearly cut myself. Joking apart, these guys were from Switzerland, and reviews of the time stated that they'd be better if they didn't use so much distortion. Well, I, for one, disrespectfully disagree - the distortion levels are PERECT! Very much at the bluesy end, there is also something of later Sweet/Judas Priest material in this particular song which makes it stand out from standard heavy blues;
3) /aguaturbia.aspx" rel="nofollow - AGUATURBIA . From Chile, these guys covered a vast amount of musical ground - quite literally, covering Zeppelin, Jefferson Airplane and... Bread???? They had a female singer - and really are only included here because when they did heavy, they did it exceptionally well for 1969. Much of their back catalogue isn't metallic at all - although it's very, very well done.
Oh, and I haven't discovered the whole story, hence it's not in the bio yet, but I understand that they seriously upset the Catholic Church - now that's a metal attitude (for the benefit of Catholics here, I'm not saying it's right, simply that p*ssing of religious people is fashionable among some groups of metal heads).
More "A"s to follow... ROCK ON!
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 12:30am
I couldn't agree more with your statement on Coven. I remember picking up thier first album 25 years ago and I was just uterly disappointed. I had huge expectations that this album would be "heavy". Psych pop/spoken word. To justify, I must not have thier right album so I picked up thier second. More harder rock...somewhat, a "metallic" sound. Still wasn't what I was expecting. Blood On The Snow was next on the list. A tad more heavy. But heavy metal, hell no.
Black Widow's Sacrifice is another I lump into the same catagory as Coven. Heavy, but not heavy.
Now if we're talking heavy metal is the context of the devil, the image and attitude then Coven would be me on list also as would Satan's right hand man would be also. Anton Lavey(Church of Satan) released a spoken word album in 1968, The Satanic Mass.
As far as your assessment on AFIC's first two albums I would agree for the most part. Again it comes down to one's own personal criteria on what is proto-metal and hard rock, heavy psych, hard blues rock. IMO alot it is "crossover" on a sub-genre level. Many factors usually are included in one's criteria and to say, "that band shouldn't be on the list" is well...entirely one's own opinion. That's what makes list 'fun".
For me, I have no doubts on Sir Lord Baltimore. One of the definitive proto-metal bands.
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2011 at 7:13am
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Here's one of the best dual guitar interplay albums I've heard. Cargo from the Netherlands with thier s/t debut from 1972. It's not proto-metal IMO but heavy/hard progressive rock. Now here's a perfect example why we need a Heavy Rock Sub-genre. I paid big bucks for this piece of vinyl 15 years ago. Wah wahs waging war in extended jams. Holy smokes. ^^^All 4 original tracks. I did eventually p/u the CD reissue with the bonus tracks. All of them not very good. Well maybe two.
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 4:00pm
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Charge out of the UK and fronted by bassist Ric Grech who was in the "supergroup" Blind Faith and played on Family's first two great releases(Music In A Doll's House, Family Entertainment) and also with Ginger Baker's Airforce, KGB and Traffic teamed up with guitarist Neil Hubbard(Joe Cocker's Grease Band, Juicy Lucy, Kokomo), bassist Alan Spenner(Joe Cocker's Grease Band, Spooky Tooth, Kokomo, Roxy Music), and Chris Mercer(John Mayall, Wynder K. Frog) released thier only LP, s/t in 1973 consisting of some wicked guitar and a doom laden ambience. Very obscure and was very fortunate it to find at a record swap meet and transferred to it CD-R using my Yamaha CD recorder. Proto-metal.? I think so. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 4:31pm
Satanic / Black masses seemed to be all the rage among a certain set in the very late 1960s - White Noise did one called "Black Mass / Electric Storm in Hell" (1969);
...and there's an epic and very scary single from a truly wierd band called Jason Crest which is well worth a listen for the screaming alone - there are loads more examples of such "masses" (1969).
The things that really stand out about Coven are almost entirely peripheral; The album sleeve is deeply Satanic - very metal. Their use of the Devil's horns hand gesture, so beloved of Ronnie James Dio et al is intrinsic to the genre. One of their songs is called Black Sabbath - and they have a musician called John "Oz" Osbourne. When you consider that the album was released before Sabbath's debut... I know Sabbath's name was allegedly inspired by the film of the same name but...
Same thing goes for Screaming Lord Sutch - none of his music is particularly metal, but he did have the horror theatricality and ambiences in his music - not to mention the (Largely awful) work with Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck et al in the early 1970s. That theatricality was a direct influence on Alice Cooper, not to mention a load of wierd bands from the Netherlands who really got into this horror rock.
Then there's surf music.
Some of the links to metal from this anti-metallic genre are horrifyingly strong - one of my favourites (as a link - there are far better surf tunes) is a tune called "Satan's Holiday", based on Grieg's "Peer Gynt" (the predictable "Hall Of The Mountain King), by a band called The Lancasters, featuring a very young Ritchie Blackmore (1965);
The roots of metal lie in peculiar places
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 6:24pm
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^^^Great post Certif!ed
Two great vids. Haven't heard of either artist. The late '60's seemed to of spawned a Satanic worship onslaught with experimentation of drugs, the foundation of the Church of Satan, Charlie Manson, and probably boredom of some from the counter-culture and maybe even the Vietnam war. TBH, I don't know much about the subject and the era together.
For the most part I can't disagree with you on Coven. Screaming Lord Sutch on the other hand is just awful. I remember buying a new copy based on Page, Beck and others being invovled and the cover. I was about 17 years old at that time. That explains that. An image IMO doesn't make music though I would say descent music with imagery can have an influence but in some cases it can be ridiculous and actually be counter productive to what the artist is trying to achieve.
I've noticed Black Widow isn't in the archives. Any reason for that? Just curious. Myself, I'm on the fence.
Been an instrumental surf fan for years. The Ventures, The Surfaris, Dick Dale, The Trashmen, The Chantays, The Marketts, and the Challengers and even the surf punk/revival of the early '90's. Man Or Astro-man? is just friggin' fun.
Beach Boys don't work for me. Too poppy.No denying the impact surf rock has had on rock in general and in metal with some of it's innovative players and equipment.
I think I will pull out a piece of surf vinyl over the next day or two. So much to listen, so little time. Well...That's not true, I have lots time of my hands right and what I see in the near future. At least I'm being somewhat constructive contributing here at MMA.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 5:49am
I recommend you find a copy of "An Electric Storm" by White Noise - it's possibly THE most amazing album of the 1960s. It features electronic music supremess Delia Derbyshire (who realised Ron Grainer's orchestral score into electronics and produced the first Dr Who theme tune in 1963 - that riff is the heart of much metal, methinks!).
Every song on "An Electric Storm" is a sublime masterpiece, with the possible exception of "Here Come the Fleas". The first song, "Love WIthout Sound" is trip hop, long before people in the 1990s thought they invented it.
Sutch did a lot more before the abysmal "Heavy Friends" album - most is just funny. His most famous is probably Jack The Ripper, but other titles like "Dracula's Daughter" and "Murder in the Graveyard", which are equally awful as songs, but just the right attitude that would lead to the horror obsessed side of metal;
I think that image is a very important part - no, it doesn't make music, but the wrong image can be responsible for great music failing to see the light of day - and this has been the case at least since Elvis.
Where would Maiden be without Eddie? Motorhead without the warts? AC/DC without Angus?
Gimmicks and imagery are not the be-all and end-all, but Coven are in a class of their own, since everything about them except the music made it into mainstream metal. They did, to their credit, become much heavier later on in their career.
Likewise, Sutch was the leader of the horror rock field with his theatricality, wild laughter and screaming, of course - and plenty more horror/sci-fi oriented came from the amazing stable of Joe Meek;
- we're back to Surf music again!
It wasn't a new thing either - I haven't traced it right back, but there's this from 1958;
Curious - I thought they were, but I've noticed that some bands don't seem to show when you do a search at the moment - I'm investigating this.
...like Dick Dale...
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 11:22am
| There is a band called "Black Widows" in the archive, but as they are 90s gothic metal from Portugal I doubt they are who you are talking about. |
Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 2:57pm
I D/L White Noise this morning. You're couple of vids you posted really caught my ears. These guys got passed me somehow. Will listen to it sometime today.
Should I place Black Widow in the archives? Gave 'er a listen this morning. I think they belong. More than the "Lord" that's for sure.
Just kiddin' Mark.The Beach Boys can be connected also if one likes. I can't remember the couple of songs I read about many years ago that the author claimed the influence. Again, where does one draw the line as the bucket becomes very big.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 5:07pm
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I think "influence" should be treated with a pinch of salt - after all, Martha and the Vandellas "influenced" Van Halen (Dancing in The Streets), as did Frank Sinatra (That's Life) and the Nashville Teens - and Elvis, Chuck Berry, the Rolling Stones - as it gets closer to the "birth" of metal in either Sabbath or Priest, depending which camp you're in, it gets harder to separate influence on the genre from actual proto material.
To my mind, proto metal doesn't have to be 100% metal, but there HAS to be aspects of it which are 100%. Metal is a very committed form of music - few genres have such passionate fans or are excluded as a genre from people's playlists or musical tastes so regularly - it really splits opinion properly.
So there's absolutely nothing about the Beach Boys that is 100% metal, but Sutch? Just watch the "Jack The Ripper" video - he's really going out and out to scare people and make them believe he's from the dark side. He looks a proper twat doing it, but he's 100% dedicated to his cause. Rock on, Dave!
I wouldn't necessarily add any of the other horror music acts from that time - it's good to know that there was so much music in that genre promoting the dark side; I've been doing some research into the matter, and there was an interesting book published in 1967, the year before Anton Lavey's recorded work, which may have been inspirational, given the co-incidental time it was circulated. I'm just curious as to what gave rise to heavy metal music in the first place - and there are a LOT of strands to follow back!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 5:12pm
The only song of theirs I really remember is "Sacrifice" - which is pretty rockin' - I seem to recall the rest of their stuff was somewhat like Santana - but that's nearly an anagram of Satan - so add 'em I say!
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 5:46pm
Archived!
Progressive hard rock/psych/folk what is contained on the album. "Sacrifice", "Ancient Days" and "Come To The Sabbath" are all heavy tracks in ambience, musically and lyrical. I must say I really enjoyed listening to the album. For thier other albums, I haven't heard them. Probably similar in vien.
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 6:06pm
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Continuing with C. Charlies out of Finland released two albums. Thier first is in Finnish and I'm not about to try to write it out. It is more of a hard blues/psych jam but is thier second release, Buttocks, is a blazing hard/prog/acid/psych trip and even a touch of jazz/folk similar to that of Jethro Tull. Smoking leads. Considering it for the archives. Have a listen.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 1:34am
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I initially rejected them as bordeline, and listening again, I'm enjoying the music but still not convinced.
If we had a Hard Rock category, or if the band get support from others, then there'd be no question.
They still get a "no" from me, I'm afraid - although it's more of a "not quite".
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 1:46am
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It's close. It's a thin line sometimes. No doubt they would fit in the proposed heavy rock sub-genre. What do ya think about Atomic Rooster? There must be a reason why they're not here(?). Too prog? I've listened to to thier first three albums over the last day or so. My call would be to have them included.
Man, it's alot of time, work and research updating info (releases, musician line-ups, etc.). I have a new appreciation for data bases of music. I've used PA for the last 5 years and didn't really think too much about it. Ya, I took it for granted. I don't now.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 2:22am
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Here's a one-single wonder (don't think it was ever a hit!) by the unlikely named Chook - Australian for chicken, I believe.
Bassist Ian Ryan went on to play with Buster Brown, and their one and only single was released on the collectable Havoc label, renowed for high quality recordings and vinyl compounds, mostly of hard rock acts, it seems. Other bands that had releases on the label include Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs, and Coloured Balls, who released an album entitled "Heavy Metal Kids".
Here's Chook's single - it's awesome to have an actual video from the time - enjoy, and mind your head on your computer screen!!!
***Kickass stuff warning***
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 2:09am
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Led by vocalist/guitarist Stan "The Man" Webb, Chicken Shack evolved in the second wave of the of the British blues revival influenced by the one of the unheralded Chicago blues great, Freddie King. After numerous line up changes from thier first four albums and Christine Perfect(McVie) leaving for Fleetwood Mac Webb formed a power trio and released Imagination Lady from 1972 leaving the tradtional blues-rock behind and laying down a raw, heavy blues rock/hard rock slab with him stamping on his wah-wah, torrent leads, Sabbath-esque riffs and fitting perfect with his gruff, raspy whiskey drinkin' vocals.
Sadly the next album Poor Boy slide away from the sound of Imagination Lady and added horns ina similar style to that of Savoy Brown's Raw Sienna. Imagination Lady just might of been Webbs response to the 'Hog's Split.
Proto-metal? Good question. However a classic in the heavy psych/hard rock/blues rock arena.
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Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 10:48pm
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This band, High Tide, is definitely worth noting. They are (debatably) the first to use both metal and progressive influences, making them to some degree "grandfathers of progressive metal". I wonder how much of the metal sound is just poor production . |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 3:16am
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Just had to share this one - Aynsley Dunbar Retalliation's orignal version of "The Warning", as covered by Black Sabbath on their debut;
It has to be said that this is about the only proto-metal in Dunbar's back catalogue - but nonetheless, he has a most impressive CV and collection of recordings, including Zappa covers (he did a stint in Zappa's band) and haunting blues - an awesome drummer who's worked with some incredible musicians and created some amazing music.
It's said that Hendrix had a hard job choosing between him and Mitchell, and that he tried to recruit Robert Fripp as guitarist - then turned Fripp down when he tried to hire Dunbar into King Crimson.
Another metal oriented taster;
As I said, most of his other material isn't metallic - but check it out anyway - you won't be disappointed!
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 1:47pm
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^^^^Great blues-rock.
Didn't Sabbath not give credit to Dunbar for the Warning on thier s/t debut? I've seen compilations where they have. At least they gave some of the members of Crow credit for "Evil Woman" on the original UK gatefold album(different track listing than NA release).
After Wicked Lady dissloved, Martin Weaver joined the UK band the Dark and issued one album, Round The Edges from 1972. Unlike Wicked Lady, the production on this album is very good. Fantastic melodic prog/heavy psych/hard rock(proto-metal) with some tracks drenched in fuzz. With only a couple of hundred LPs released the vinyl has been sold at four figure prices. Again with the birth of the digital age this obscure album would of remained obscured and unavailable to most listeners. I p/u the CD on the UK label, Kissing Spell about 20 years ago.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 2:51pm
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^Zero Time is my favourite track from that Dark album - very good song! http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/dark.aspx?ac=Dark" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/dark.aspx?ac=Dark Dunbar does indeed get credit on the Sabbath debut - I'm looking at my First Press copy of the vinyl, and it's right in the middle of the cross when you open the gatefold, under the credits to the composers of Evil Woman - Wiegend, Wiegend, Waggoner (aka Crow, as you correctly point out) http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/crow.aspx?ac=crow" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/crow.aspx?ac=crow "Evil Woman (Don't You Play Your Games With Me)" is not the same song as the one Larry "Rheinstone Cowboy" Reiss wrote for Spooky Tooth, covered ably by Quiet Riot with Glenn Hughes manning the mic, which features the same riff that Sabbath used for "Sweet Leaf"; ...nor is it the song by ELO... but we won't go there! (I know you didn't claim it was, but I just wanted an excuse to post another song from that awesome Spooky Tooth album!).
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 7:46pm
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I should of been more clear on my description Mark. I'll try again. On the N.A. release by Warner Brothers, "The Warning" is credited to Iommi, Osbourne, Butler, Ward. No mention of the original songwriters. Maybe that it is included the medley, "A Bit Of Finger, Sleeping Village, The Warning".Anyway if you look real close at the image I supplied it states All selections wriiten by Iommi, Osbourne, Butler, Ward.
 The UK(Vertigo) gatefold issue does give credit for "The Warning" and "Evil Woman".
"Evil Woman" is not the same song as ELO's and The Doobie Brother's either.
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